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KilgoreTrout said:
Hachi is a better shooter than others under consideration:

Hachimura
41.7% on 3pt (small sample size)
73.9% on free throws
height 6'8" (wingspan 7'2")

Culver
30.4% on 3pt
70.7% on free throws
height 6'6" (wingspan 6'10")

Barrett
30.8% on 3pt
66.5% on free throws
height 6'7" (wingspan 6'10")

And he’s raw. He has upside, and a good work-ethic!
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Barrett isn't a option anyways. And the key here is sample size. Hachimura barely shot any 3s so of course the percentages could look good. Culver shot 38 percent as a Freshmen on 4 attempts a game compared to shooting 40 percent on 1 attempt like Rui as a junior.

Whos to say which is the true Culver Freshman year where he was a knock down shooter or this year when he was given more to do and struggled at different points throughout the year.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Efficient scorer? By What measure?

Ranks among the 2019 draft class perimeter / wing players in parenthesis

Coby White:

PPFGA: 1.265 (45)
FTA/FGA: 0.295 (47)
PTS/100: 29.6 (22)

He's a really average scorer from an efficiency standpoint.

For context...

Garland in limited games:

PPFGA: 1.502 (7)
FTA/FGA: 0.295 (46)
PTS/100: 33.5 (10)

Morant:

PPFGA: 1.522 (4)
FTA/FGA: 0.510 (3)
PTS/100: 37.3 (6)

White isn't close to either of the other top guards in scoring efficiency. He's basically a much worse version of Garland. Doesn't draw fouls like Garland but then a significantly worse shooter from all levels.

White is a higher volume shooter that is an incredibly average scorer at the college level. Those guys are huge bust candidates, if your argument is that is supposed to be his NBA skill.
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I'm not going to continue to go round and round with you on White. I have my own criteria for what I consider the best players in the draft which you likely don't agree with also. But the main reason I won't continue to argue with you on him is this data you added that really expands the whole topic:

Morant - yes is more efficient but since the Cavs will have no chance of selecting him at #5 there is no point in discussing the comparison. I never compared White and Morant and you replying to me with this is like me posting that I really like Dylan Windler later in the 1st round and you replying but Zion Williamson is better.

Garland - played how many games? Yeah we are going to disagree on the importance of sample size when looking at stats then also.
 
MrX said:
If Bol Bol was still available at #14 How many would be on board with trading our #5 for Bos #14 and #20

#14 Bol
#20 ?
#26 Windler
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I don't want to move down from 5 but would love to pick up another 1st and early 2nd if possible with trades.
 
BTW, for all of us Garland fans:
He's with Klutch Sports. So possibly promised by the Lakers to be picked at 4.
But do the Lakers really want the growing pains to play a prominent rookie in a do or die playoff race?
 
ShawnKempIsMyDad said:
I will say that I'm sick of picking guys that can't shoot. A shot is really hard to develop, other skills are easier. It's one thing that actually makes me consider Hachimura.
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Agreed. It's about getting buckets and I don't really care what form they come in as long as the scoring is done in an efficient manner. I also want guys that can hit their free throws at a decent clip. To me, fundamentals like that - hitting free throws, taking care of the ball, good rebounding are things so important to a winning team and get ignored a lot for the flashy type of plays.
 
CalBuckeyeRob said:
Hunter is only guaranteed job security if he propels you towards the playoffs because of his talent. If he is just a solid, contributing NBA player, that will keep you as a lottery team too and get you fired unless you find that special player some other year or some other way. Very few top 10 picks matter. It is depressing when you scroll through the draft results from years past and see how few top 10 players are remotely relevant. It is better to try 5 times for Giannis and get him once. Sacramento added top 10 talents Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas, and Willie Cauley-Stein from 2011 to 2016. None mattered.
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I agree with you and meant temporary job security (can be cushioned or made worse by previous selections as well). If you have 4 seasons to prove yourself as a Cavs GM (Gilbert’s motto) why not go for broke until you get a superstar that can elevate your team.

I hope Koby is targeting Bol Bol, Darius Garland and even flawed guys like Cam Reddish and Kevin Porter Jr. Just get the best player available with the highest ceiling.
 
inliner311 said:
I couldn't figure out who I thought Culver compared to until recently. I think he compares alot with Evan Turner. I think Turner has figured out his role as a six man but has never been put on a roster that really fits him. I think Culver will ultimately have the same problem.

I think everything that makes Culver special in college like his size and ball handling doesn't give him much of an advantage in the NBA. His balling handling is good for his size in college but in the NBA it won't be anything special. The same thing happen to Turner, what was special about him was his size and how he was good overall at everything but wasn't great at anything. Everything just got knock down a peg for him in the NBA.
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I've heard the comparison.

bad shot selection is a major knock on both of them, and i think it severely held back Turner's career. He had allstar talent in my mind, but he was never able to put it together due to lack of range and bad shot selection.

I think Culver will have better range, and if he can fit into a team concept instead of thinking he is a star right out of the gate, I think he can be a really good player.

It is a n underrated aspect of having a guy like Love on the team. If Nance or TT is your next best player, no wonder Sexton wasn't super impressed with them or Clarkson. However, with Love on the team and the clear leader, you have to be humbled a bit and can't just continue to take bad shots over and over. You have to listen to a multiyear allstar with a ring.

I do think we are good situation for Culver, because he is a project. His playmaking and size for a 2 is good though. His dedication to defense is also great. I think we are looking at 4 years before he really unlocks his offense. If he can play good d, score 10 pts a game, and make some plays, that won't be too hard to wait on.

The new Coach makes me think we have more options than I did before that. I was more worried about picking 5 before, but if they want to swing on a high upside project I am ok with it now. If Lue was still here no way.
 
Just trade with the Hawks and go for the sure thing in Bitadze and someone else.

We need to stockpile on assets, and the drop off is negliable. Neither Culver or Hunter are special, even if one of them turns out to be great.

This draft is fairly deep, so we need to take advantage of it.
 
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what is the knock against cam reddish? I'm not saying he's the pick just need someone to clear this up. People say he has a lot of question marks, but so did sexton and he turned out to be one of the best rookies in his class.
 
benchplayer said:
what is the knock against cam reddish? I'm not saying he's the pick just need someone to clear this up. People say he has a lot of question marks, but so did sexton and he turned out to be one of the best rookies in his class.
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Sexton had a better more efficient season in college than Cam. If Collin had the season he did in Cam's body, he probably would have gone 1st or At worst 2nd even against Ayton and Doncic.

Drawing 6 fouls a game and over 20pts with a tough as nails attitude at 6'8" with a very good handle and blazing speed? Lol

Collin can dunk too, don't forget. He has good vertical explosion, but I think he realizes it isn't very safe to in the NBA where he can easily be knocked out the air. If he was 6'8" he would be dunking on fools all the time.

Collin at 6'2" would be drafted in the top 5 probably in the draft too.

Hell if Reddish just had Collin's motor he would be a no brainer pick I think.
 
LeeBuckeye said:
If you have 4 seasons to prove yourself as a Cavs GM (Gilbert’s motto) why not go for broke until you get a superstar that can elevate your team.
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You don't have 4 years to prove yourself, you have 4 years.

Then, you either sucked or you did well and are in line for a raise, so he lets you go either way.
 
Cavatt said:
I've heard the comparison.

bad shot selection is a major knock on both of them, and i think it severely held back Turner's career. He had allstar talent in my mind, but he was never able to put it together due to lack of range and bad shot selection.

I think Culver will have better range, and if he can fit into a team concept instead of thinking he is a star right out of the gate, I think he can be a really good player.

It is a n underrated aspect of having a guy like Love on the team. If Nance or TT is your next best player, no wonder Sexton wasn't super impressed with them or Clarkson. However, with Love on the team and the clear leader, you have to be humbled a bit and can't just continue to take bad shots over and over. You have to listen to a multiyear allstar with a ring.

I do think we are good situation for Culver, because he is a project. His playmaking and size for a 2 is good though. His dedication to defense is also great. I think we are looking at 4 years before he really unlocks his offense. If he can play good d, score 10 pts a game, and make some plays, that won't be too hard to wait on.

The new Coach makes me think we have more options than I did before that. I was more worried about picking 5 before, but if they want to swing on a high upside project I am ok with it now. If Lue was still here no way.
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I wish there was something elite about Culver that he could hang his hat on. At the end of the day being a 6'6 SG/SF with some decent ball handling skills just isn't that special in the NBA.

I think every other prospect that is projected to go between #4 and #10 you can pick out one thing that could make them great in the NBA. With Culver I haven't come across anything yet. When I watch his highlights, he just reminds me of Derrick Williams and Evan Turner college highlights or a guy that you expect to go in the teens or low 20s in the draft.
 
inliner311 said:
I wish there was something elite about Culver that he could hang his hat on. At the end of the day being a 6'6 SG/SF with some decent ball handling skills just isn't that special in the NBA.

I think every other prospect that is projected to go between #4 and #10 you can pick out one thing that could make them great in the NBA. With Culver I haven't come across anything yet. When I watch his highlights, he just reminds me of Derrick Williams and Evan Turner college highlights or a guy that you expect to go in the teens or low 20s in the draft.
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Defense? I think most scouts have called him an NBA ready defender.

The other guy people are comparing him to is SGA. Which the more I think about it, he might be. That's a good guy to put next to Sexton, but he isn't electric or anything. Hustle, defense, high IQ guy that helps his team win. Not what you want top 5, but if we accept this draft is not as good as last year, maybe pick 5 and 9 are equivalent.

I don't think he is a major scorer for years at least.
 
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