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Game Thread | Game #15 | Hornets @ Cavs | Nov. 18, 2022

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Rich said:
The SF spot was always going to be weak. Everyone knew this.

You've still got Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley, and Jarrett Allen.

That's two elite playmakers and shooters, two elite lob threats and offensive rebounders.

They should be able to get by with a below league average starter at SF.



If they had a competent offensive system........
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To me, the biggest place it shows up is on defense.

We lack size across the 3 back court positions when Wade is out and it makes perimeter offense just way too easy on the other team.

If we had two Dean Wade types, I think we’d be fine but the issue is we have one and that one has an injury history a mile long.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
I’ll say this as a positive.

Sometimes when you lose 5 straight, and everything that was going right is now going wrong, you just need a win. Any win. Any way. Any how.

We showed the capability to play some seriously high level basketball for the first 9.95 games.

This team can work. We’re not perfect but we are a lot better than we have been since blowing the lead during the Clippers game.

I think we will get back on track in a real way after tonight.
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I’d agree. Interestingly Milwaukee has also forgotten how to coach and win. 2-4 in their last 6
 
Deezus said:
Serena Winters talks like she just snorted an 8 ball of coke and took a few adderal on top
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She probably did.

Like 90% of the people in this thread rightfully did too.
 
The bad:

Starters being responsible for 119 out of 132 points is ridiculous.
Damn near nothing from the bench and Okoro and Stevens giving the Cavs more than Love is a L.
LeVert bad habits on display again. Cedi not even able to deliver a quiet 10.
Perimeter defense is still SHIT!!!! Let anyone besides Rozier or Oubre beat you.
Anything after time out or inbounding. This is a pattern, not an isolated incident
No offensive counter when defenses put pressure on the Cavs at all
Officiating, when Allen and Okoro are involved. Okoro is playing scrubby, so I get it (but don't like it). Allen, there's no excuse. That shit was a foul, even if the play was ASS going inbounds.

The good:
JBB figured out that only 2 of LeVert, Mitchell, Garland should play together at the same time
The Top 4: Garland, Mitchell, Mobley, Allen. Indispensable. Especially the last two.
Mobley, man. Saved the Cavs from what was going to be called a foul on Love, then a CLUTCH rebound and pass to Garland to save ass in OT.
Garland and Mitchell still in the honeymoon phase but they are individually elite on offense. Mitchell a better defender.

Overall, glad for the W
But we will have a dialogue about the things that will keep the Cavs below what the team's talent can provide.
I think they are a better team than 2022 Golden Piss, the Kangz, and Wolves. Not better than Milwaukee or Boston (though they got 2 Ws on them)
I think the Mark Jackson Moment is inevitable.
 
I went back and watched the ATO plays at the end of regulation and they did suck. For whatever reason on the first one both our guards essentially ran straight into the chests of defenders while KLove jockeyed weakly for position against Plumlee. Allen in the backcourt was the only option and thankfully he made both free throws so we didn't get hurt on that one.

On the second one where JA got mugged, Garland was briefly wide open coming around some screens but for whatever reason Mobley was afraid to pass the ball over the top to him, he was obviously more comfortable passing it high into JA again. Our spacing was shit and the guards are still running right at defenders instead of away from them.

I saw some jawboning back and forth between Walton and JBB on one of those plays, like something was screwed up and Walton definitely looked like a part of those plays.
 
Im not gonna complain too much about a game that we won. It's really hard breaking losing streaks. My biggest issues from what i saw (didnt see any overtime) was the turnovers and lack of help from our bench. We clean those up and its an easy W. I'll just leave it at that. So glad to be back in the win columb. Go Cavs
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
I’ll say this as a positive.

Sometimes when you lose 5 straight, and everything that was going right is now going wrong, you just need a win. Any win. Any way. Any how.

We showed the capability to play some seriously high level basketball for the first 9.95 games.

This team can work. We’re not perfect but we are a lot better than we have been since blowing the lead during the Clippers game.

I think we will get back on track in a real way after tonight.
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Yeah, there was some clutch shooting by Garland and even LeVert and Stevens made a couple of huge plays in the clutch. The second overtime was impressive as the Cavs just broke their backs and beat them 12-2. I'm sure the Hornets were exhausted but holding any team to 2 points over 5 minutes is impressive.

The problem right now is four guys are providing 85% of the production. We're getting very little from Love, Cedi, Okoro, Lopez, Stevens, LeVert, and Neto. Wade is out with a knee infection. It was enough to squeak past a 4-12 team at home, but the Big Four are going to need a lot more help than they're getting.
 
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