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2023 Cleveland Guardians Season Thread

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It's funny to go back to page 1 and see/read what folks thought and how they actually turned out. Am I the only one goofy enough to do that?
 
BimboColesHair said:
In case anyone was wondering.

Tito isn’t going anywhere. Will take some time away from baseball and try to get healthier but will remain in the organization in some capacity to be determined.

So it’s not entirely good bye.
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He's just no longer going to be in the dugout... I mean he used to be in the front office at one point, so it's not like they don't have a seat for him there...
 
BimboColesHair said:
In case anyone was wondering.

Tito isn’t going anywhere. Will take some time away from baseball and try to get healthier but will remain in the organization in some capacity to be determined.

So it’s not entirely good bye.
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This is great to hear. How likely do you think it is that we see Willis, Alomar Jr, Sarbaugh, etc back with a new manager?
 
BimboColesHair said:
Like don’t get me wrong, the areas that you and tondo are and have been talking about are absolute concerns.

100%.

I don’t want the idea out there that I am ignoring these in any way. They need to get better, otherwise he is going to remain wildly inconsistent.

But I do think a lot of the areas of concern for him at this moment are areas that get better with experience. You combine that with the quality of contact numbers, the defensive profile, the raw power, the willingness to take BBs (and I get the BB rate is down, that’s a product of how he’s being pitched here though).

It’s easy to see why you better be sure he won’t get better in those areas before moving off of him, otherwise you may be kicking yourself a year or 2 down the line while dealing with a higher floor/lower ceiling guy who barely strays away from their floor, which is the risk you take with 2 “safer” prospects waiting behind him.
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BimboColesHair said:
Like don’t get me wrong, the areas that you and tondo are and have been talking about are absolute concerns.

100%.

I don’t want the idea out there that I am ignoring these in any way. They need to get better, otherwise he is going to remain wildly inconsistent.

But I do think a lot of the areas of concern for him at this moment are areas that get better with experience. You combine that with the quality of contact numbers, the defensive profile, the raw power, the willingness to take BBs (and I get the BB rate is down, that’s a product of how he’s being pitched here though).

It’s easy to see why you better be sure he won’t get better in those areas before moving off of him, otherwise you may be kicking yourself a year or 2 down the line while dealing with a higher floor/lower ceiling guy who barely strays away from their floor, which is the risk you take with 2 “safer” prospects waiting behind him.
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We see the severity of his issues and his upside (as a hitter) differently. Also have a different perspective on the disappearing walk rate since the Rosario trade. It’s a product of approach and completely under his control.

To move this beyond Arias, plate approach IMO is the biggest issue the club needs to address this winter and should be the emphasis of many exit interviews. If I didn’t know better I’d say the offensive theme this year was, “Be the least you can be”. Honestly, Gimenez disturbs me the most in that regard (likely has to do with my investment in his upside:)).
 
BimboColesHair said:
In case anyone was wondering.

Tito isn’t going anywhere. Will take some time away from baseball and try to get healthier but will remain in the organization in some capacity to be determined.

So it’s not entirely good bye.
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Is Cam Gallagher going to be the next manager? Lol We kept him for a reason right? Jk jk
 
PPark said:
We see the severity of his issues and his upside (as a hitter) differently. Also have a different perspective on the disappearing walk rate since the Rosario trade. It’s a product of approach and completely under his control.

To move this beyond Arias, plate approach IMO is the biggest issue the club needs to address this winter and should be the emphasis of many exit interviews. If I didn’t know better I’d say the offensive theme this year was, “Be the least you can be”. Honestly, Gimenez disturbs me the most in that regard (likely has to do with my investment in his upside:)).
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The plate approach stats you don’t like?

O-swing, whiff, chase, contact% whatever it may be. Those are things that young players struggle with early on but get better at with experience.

That’s not an opinion, that’s a statistical fact.

Why is it shocking that the 2nd youngest team, hitter wise, in baseball has poor plate discipline numbers as a whole?
 
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