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2023 Cleveland Guardians Season Thread

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Part of JRam's problem was the fact he tried to be the hero a few too many times in a sense... At times I felt like he should have been more willing to take the walk...

Meh.

This is you guys focusing in far too much on results of individual ABs during various games. I credit it to the passion some of you have to follow and comment on every single game.

Jose was better in high leverage situations than he was overall this season. Had an 18.8% BB rate in those situations too. He was taking his BBs. Just his Ks or pop outs got more attention from you guys.

He also just put up the highest BB% in his career with RISP, 19%. But again, that went unnoticed because the K's and pop ups got more attention from you guys. Jose hates to BB with RISP too. Plays into his aggressiveness with runners on, and why he got himself out a lot more than normal this year.

Need a better lineup to get him back to seeing pitches to hit consistently in those situations.
 
Gabe Kapler fired in San Francisco. Is he on the G's suspects list?

I am doubting it... But I also didn't watch them a ton, but he's not likely a good fit...

(Plus I personally feel like they have had someone in mind for awhile now).
 
Meh.

This is you guys focusing in far too much on results of individual ABs during various games. I credit it to the passion some of you have to follow and comment on every single game.

Jose was better in high leverage situations than he was overall this season. Had an 18.8% BB rate in those situations too. He was taking his BBs. Just his Ks or pop outs got more attention from you guys.

He also just put up the highest BB% in his career with RISP, 19%. But again, that went unnoticed because the K's and pop ups got more attention from you guys. Jose hates to BB with RISP too. Plays into his aggressiveness with runners on, and why he got himself out a lot more than normal this year.

Need a better lineup to get him back to seeing pitches to hit consistently in those situations.

I 100% get what you are saying and the pop ups happen... I am more talking about swinging at pitches in the dirt and striking out that way. Sometimes it felt like, regardless of the pitch, he was going to swing and I get he is the lead the charge type of leader, but there is a few times he could have taken more walks.

It's not a big deal, it's more of the, don't get yourself out ya know? He has gotten himself out a few times...
 
I 100% get what you are saying and the pop ups happen... I am more talking about swinging at pitches in the dirt and striking out that way. Sometimes it felt like, regardless of the pitch, he was going to swing and I get he is the lead the charge type of leader, but there is a few times he could have taken more walks.

It's not a big deal, it's more of the, don't get yourself out ya know? He has gotten himself out a few times...

He also just put up the highest BB% in his career with RISP, 19%. Jose hates to BB with RISP too. Plays into his aggressiveness with runners on, and why he got himself out a lot more than normal this year.
 
@BimboColesHair I know you probably can't share much on our next manager, but can we expect it to be similar to player transactions - that is, for the team to be tight-lipped and us not to hear much until an actual announcement is made?
 
So, MT88 or CDAV said something about going back about the worst wrong posts of the year.... Think my top 3 would be

3) Statesman and his 9 figure contract prediction (and how having his hustle was a must have trait by many others -- how many of our 70 something wins did this account for?)

2) All the 100 win predictions based on how well we played since last mid-May. It even had its own thread.

1) All of hand wringing in losing out to Atlanta for Murphy even after the fact (ad nauseum by Cats) when we knew Williams and Bibee broke out and would have been included. Well as of this game and his HR.. Murphy who???
 
So, MT88 or CDAV said something about going back about the worst wrong posts of the year.... Think my top 3 would be

3) Statesman and his 9 figure contract prediction (and how having his hustle was a must have trait by many others -- how many of our 70 something wins did this account for?)

2) All the 100 win predictions based on how well we played since last mid-May. It even had its own thread.

1) All of hand wringing in losing out to Atlanta for Murphy even after the fact (ad nauseum by Cats) when we knew Williams and Bibee broke out and would have been included. Well as of this game and his HR.. Murphy who???
Was Dicky getting the boot this year too? Feel like that should be included.
 
So, MT88 or CDAV said something about going back about the worst wrong posts of the year.... Think my top 3 would be

3) Statesman and his 9 figure contract prediction (and how having his hustle was a must have trait by many others -- how many of our 70 something wins did this account for?)

2) All the 100 win predictions based on how well we played since last mid-May. It even had its own thread.

1) All of hand wringing in losing out to Atlanta for Murphy even after the fact (ad nauseum by Cats) when we knew Williams and Bibee broke out and would have been included. Well as of this game and his HR.. Murphy who???
I just asked if I was the only one goofy enough to go back to day 1 and reread them? The 3 you mentioned were doozies though. LOL
 
Fangraphs is out with their power rankings going into the season. They are extremely unimpressed with the Guardians, ranking them in Tier 4 ("The Melee") behind eight teams ranked in Tiers 1, 2, and 3. The Angels, Twins, and Mariners are also in Tier 4 plus three N.L. teams. Fangraphs projects the Guardians to finish with a record of 82-80, a full ten wins fewer than last year and behind 14 other teams that Fangraphs expects to win more games.

Wow, did I miss something? Did Jose Ramirez retire? Is Bieber out for the year?

Obviously Fangraphs thinks the 92 games the Guardians won last year was a fluke. They probably expect big regressions from Kwan, Gonzalez, Gimenez, McKenzie, and Stephan. On paper the Guardians have exactly the same roster except for Byan Shaw (5.40 ERA) being replaced by some combination of Herrin, Gaddis, or Morris, Owen Miller and Ernie Clement being replaced by Gilbert Arias, Benson/Jones/Mercado being replaced by Will Brennan, and Hedges/Maile being replaced by Zunino/Gallagher.

All of those moves appear to be upgrades. I'm trying to be objective but I can't find one spot on the 26-man roster where it appears we are weaker than last year. And don't forget Josh Bell replacing Reyes and Miller at 1B/DH.

If anything Hosey, Naylor, and Gimenez will have bigger years due to the elimination of the shift. All the players that had productive seasons this year are either in their primes or still approaching their primes. There are three 30-year-olds on the roster; Zunino (32), Hosey (30), and Bell (30). Zunino won't be expected to catch every game or even close.

Everything points to the Guardians having a better roster than last year except for the injury to McKenzie. You could also point out that they don't need to go through a period of experimentation like last year where it took them a couple of months to shake things out and find the best lineup. Finally, their top prospects are either ready or very close to being able to play at the major league level if necessary, unlike last year. With eight prospects in MLB's top 100, they have all the ammunition they need to make a trade or two at the deadline to fill in any cracks or to replace an injury with a prospect who is ready, like Kwan and Gonzalez last year.

82-80? Win one, lose one? Ten fewer wins than last year? 15th most wins out of 30 teams? I don't see it.

I get that the White Sox have a talented roster that was ravaged by injuries last year. Fangraphs has them at 80-82, essentially the same as last year. The Twins, whose big move was to trade the A.L. Batting Champion for a pitcher that won 10 games last year, are projected to go 83-79, essentially the same as last year. So Fangraphs has the Guardians, Twins, and White Sox all in the 80-83 win category.
Fangraphs had this team nailed. Alot of folks owe them an apology.
 
The plate approach stats you don’t like?

O-swing, whiff, chase, contact% whatever it may be. Those are things that young players struggle with early on but get better at with experience.

That’s not an opinion, that’s a statistical fact.

Why is it shocking that the 2nd youngest team, hitter wise, in baseball has poor plate discipline numbers as a whole?

O-swing 31.9/ 33.8/42.6 (10th Worst)
Swing% 47.4/51.0/59.3. (4th Worst)
Contact% 76.4/66.6/62.7 (Worst)
Swstrk% 11.2/17.0/22.2 (Worst)

Zone% 41.9/ 40.5/46.6 (5th Most)
F-strk% 61.5/63.6/72.1 (2nd Most)

League Average/Pre Trade/ Post Trade

In the parentheses is Gabe’s rank among hitters with at least his PA over the period. Note those “worst” numbers normally only improve incrementally (if at all) and will always be his challenge.

Yes. It’s a fact that most hitters struggle making the transition to this level. It’s also a fact that this data informs us as to which hitters are likely to make the transition to this level (expand data set out at least a decade).

The point? Backward is not forward. No it’s not particularly surprising but normally that directional movement is addressed not excused (note club data ‘22).
 

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