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John-Blair Bickerstaff: Currently The 6th Longest Tenured Head Coach

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Will JBB Return Next Season as Cavs Coach?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • No

    Votes: 23 47.9%

  • Only if a Miracle Happens

    Votes: 8 16.7%

  • Injuries Derailed the Season, not JBB

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • He Should be Fired Right Meow

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • Only if Jim Chones Replaces Him

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • Total voters
    48
There are a bunch of statistical and analytical reasons to move on from JBB.

But less than that, sometimes you just need a fresh voice. As the thread says and I have mentioned before, JBB is one of the longest tenured guys in the NBA. You're talking about like Pop, Spoelstra, Kerr, and Malone being ahead of him.... some of the best to ever do it.

JBB isn't one of those guys. He's not that level of coach.

But sometimes you just need a different guy pushing the buttons or setting the tone. Look no further than the Guardians. Francona was an icon, but he was tired, he wasn't reaching players the same way, and he wasn't loving what he was doing. Bring in a fresh voice with new ideas in Vogt and the team is off and running.

In theory, I think new coaches could do that here.
 
benchplayer said:
This dude is not a head coach, he's just not.
Last playoffs the cavs only scored over 100 pts one time, and it looks like this year is headed in that direction. G bush is right this dude has got no plan! This dude tanked to the 4th seed, because he thought Orlando would be an easy way to save his job. Altman has got to be sweating bullets right about now. He invested all these resources to build a race car, but put Bubba Gump as the driver.
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So after last years playoffs there was some stat that basically all but 1 playoff game JBB has coached in (he made the playoffs in Houston one year) his teams have scored less than 100 points... jBB just has absolutely no idea what to do on the offensive side of things
 
bob2the2nd said:
So after last years playoffs there was some stat that basically all but 1 playoff game JBB has coached in (he made the playoffs in Houston one year) his teams have scored less than 100 points... jBB just has absolutely no idea what to do on the offensive side of things
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This has been my qualm with the dude all season.

We should be running a high movement offense given the skill-sets of our bigs alongside our guys who are good shooting on the move in Strus, Merrill, DG & Don with Allen and Mobley heavily involved in backside screen and flare/cut actions off ball to keep the defense in compromising spots.

Instead we play ISOs and P&R as the vast majority of our possessions and hope for the best, then we're left in our current mess.
 
Before this year JBB had only won two playoff games (not series - games) in eight years as an NBA head coach. He’s already DOUBLED that this year! Hardly fair to ask him to do more. Give the guy a break!
 
bob2the2nd said:
So after last years playoffs there was some stat that basically all but 1 playoff game JBB has coached in (he made the playoffs in Houston one year) his teams have scored less than 100 points... jBB just has absolutely no idea what to do on the offensive side of things
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Just another one of the unfair and unfounded accusations made against JBB around here. In the 2016 playoffs JBB led the James Harden Rockets to score 106 points in a loss to the Golden State Warriors, and then in last years playoffs he led our Cavs to score 107 points in a Game 2 VICTORY over the Knicks! That’s two - count ‘em, two out of 14 playoff games where a JBB led team has scored over 100 points! Twice what people have been claiming here!
 
JB "hmmph, the Magic adjusted????" How can they ?? Adjustments don't exist ".
 
Douglar said:
I was looking for this one, thanks. I heard this one live and I was dumb-founded and anxious about the series. Truely a pompous soliloquy by a man who thinks he’s smarter than the rest of the world when he’s actually a sad little nepo-baby. At the time, I thought there might be hope that Mosley was even worse at this than JBB but unfortunately ir seems that it wasn’t the case.

The clip could probably be edited for comedic effect by putting it after 3 clips of famous coaches talking about the adjustments they made to win a playoff series.
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He's basically Hue Jackson of the NBA. And I don't say that just because Hue was also a Cleveland coach.

Both them speak like they have nothing left to learn despite accomplishing so very, very little.
 
Rich said:
He's basically Hue Jackson of the NBA. And I don't say that just because Hue was also a Cleveland coach.

Both them speak like they have nothing left to learn despite accomplishing so very, very little.
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I think they were both unintentional clowns, too, but I guess you could argue that's just a symptom of the "know it all" disease, not a separate disorder.

Make fun of Tyronn Lue and Mike Brown all you want, but at least those guys knew how to stay humble on the podium.
 
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Here’s another sign that perhaps JB is not a head coach material. I’ve heard multiple times from players, including Lauri, that JB lets them be themselves and gives them the freedom to play. Reflecting back, maybe that just means JB doesn’t really know how to coach, guide his players. Freedom sounds like a positive thing, but sometimes these players gotta be put in the position to succeed and thrive. And that’s not necessarily boxing them in.

You see Lauri thrive in Utah. We’ve been complaining about Mobley being misused all these years. I wonder if anybody on the coaching staff is guiding Garland and telling him to stop driving in the middle of 4 defenders, or if he is continuing to be told “just be you, just be aggressive, DG”. The only structure JB provides his players on the offensive end seems to be telling Dean Wade to stand in the corner and not dribble.
 
He would be an excellent assistant coach, that's for sure.
 
nolookpass said:
Here’s another sign that perhaps JB is not a head coach material. I’ve heard multiple times from players, including Lauri, that JB lets them be themselves and gives them the freedom to play. Reflecting back, maybe that just means JB doesn’t really know how to coach, guide his players. Freedom sounds like a positive thing, but sometimes these players gotta be put in the position to succeed and thrive. And that’s not necessarily boxing them in.

You see Lauri thrive in Utah. We’ve been complaining about Mobley being misused all these years. I wonder if anybody on the coaching staff is guiding Garland and telling him to stop driving in the middle of 4 defenders, or if he is continuing to be told “just be you, just be aggressive, DG”. The only structure JB provides his players on the offensive end seems to be telling Dean Wade to stand in the corner and not dribble.
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Freedom to be themselves is a good thing in the context of a well-defined offensive/defensive system. You don't want guys freelancing all the time, but you need to not be so restrictive you take away their ability to make decisions on the court in real time. However, you also don't want them operating outside of the principles of the offense or defense you're trying to run.

Here's where "freedom to be yourself" becomes bad. All offseason, all the Cavs talked about was wanting to push the pace. We saw it at times, especially when Garland was out. Then, with Garland back, he had the "freedom to be himself," which is a ball-dominant PG who likes to play slow and pound the air out of the ball. Garland being himself falls outside of the Cavs stated goals to start the season, and no matter how many times JBB yelled at him to push the ball up the court, he'd take his time getting it across the half-court line.

I'm mainly using Garland because he's the most obvious example of how this can go wrong. Ultimately, JBB sucks either way.
 
nolookpass said:
Here’s another sign that perhaps JB is not a head coach material. I’ve heard multiple times from players, including Lauri, that JB lets them be themselves and gives them the freedom to play. Reflecting back, maybe that just means JB doesn’t really know how to coach, guide his players. Freedom sounds like a positive thing, but sometimes these players gotta be put in the position to succeed and thrive. And that’s not necessarily boxing them in.

You see Lauri thrive in Utah. We’ve been complaining about Mobley being misused all these years. I wonder if anybody on the coaching staff is guiding Garland and telling him to stop driving in the middle of 4 defenders, or if he is continuing to be told “just be you, just be aggressive, DG”. The only structure JB provides his players on the offensive end seems to be telling Dean Wade to stand in the corner and not dribble.
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I think freedom or a freeflow offense is perfectly fine once a coach has instilled everything he wants out of the offense into his players. Like there should be structure in the beginning and overtime the coach gives them more and more freedom in the offense because everyone knows their role. The thing with JBB was he never really put that structure in. It was let's have a free flow offense without installing all the components we want in our free flow offense.

What we have is a player installed offense and truly it isn't that complex so teams like the Magic and Knicks can watch some tape to figure out the tendency of the players then really disrupt our offense. It's one thing to let vet players like our 2016 champion team figure out their own offense because they have played under a wide variety of other offensive systems. It's another thing to give a bunch of young players who have only played under JBB the freedom to choose their offense.
 
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