2012 Draft

[karnsies817]

If i saw a way for there to be enough room on the floor for the both of them i would agree with you! I havent seen much on robinson's shooting stats does anyone have them? I still think if we are stiggin there staring at a big its Drummond all day.

 

[georgehenrietta]

Filling holes in necessary, but going for need over BPA is where teams make their biggest mistakes. iF Robinson is BPA ( a big if, but that's for the FA to decide), you take him, regardless of position. You can always find ways to put talent on the floor. Choosing a less talented guy because you don't currently have a starter leads...well, IMO, that's just short sighted.

It would be one thing if he was BPA by a long shot (like Anthony Davis is). But he hasn't proven he's a better overall player (regardless of position) than a lot of the other alternatives.

 

[NarlCavs]

I'll be interested to see what Robinson measures out as at the combine. When I watch Kansas he looks closer to 6-8 to me than his listed 6-10.

I like Robinson as a prospect but don't project him as any better than other players who should be available. In that scenario than position does come into play and you should look to draft at another position. It's not like we're talking about a prospect who is so clearly head and shoulders above any other player who should be there.
Completely understand best player available and in most cases I'd also favor that. Not in this case (not that I definitely think Robinson would be BPA). I don't want one of our 4th overall picks to be a backup when there are good players available who can help fill glaring weaknesses on the roster long term.

 

[mhi]

Splitter sat overseas for years after they drafted him. Same with Manu. Same with scola, who they traded after he developed over seas. Along with about another ten draftees taken from Europe over the last ten years who sat for a year plus before coming over, or who never panned out. That's what the spurs do. That and BPA on American players with a really good development program.

So what you are saying is we should have drafted JV last yr ?

Regardless none of those players was taken in the top 5. I do not think projects should be drafted that high. That range is reserved for impact players

BPA is also a non brainer. Holes are for trades and FA.q

 

[apolo29]

Many of you are tankers, right? IF FA decides hes the bpa and pick him, the fact that we'll have two high picks fighting for minutes int he same position means we'll probably suck again next year becuase those other holes wont be filled yet. Thus, another high pick, with which we can fill SF or SG need. THEN, through this time, one of the two PFS will become better than the other and we can trade one or start em both or whatever.

So what you are saying is we should have drafted JV last yr ?

Regardless none of those players was taken in the top 5. I do not think projects should be drafted that high. That range is reserved for impact players

BPA is also a non brainer. Holes are for trades and FA.q

Ok so you don't want projects. Who else would you pick if beal and MKG are gone? Drummond? He is the definition of a project. Barnes? He doesn't have the upside of a #4 imo

 

[AustinCarr]

It would be one thing if he was BPA by a long shot (like Anthony Davis is). But he hasn't proven he's a better overall player (regardless of position) than a lot of the other alternatives.

Hence th caviot about th FA thinking he was the BPA. I don't think he is, and if it's him, barns and drmmond, he would be out of the discussion. I just hate drafting for need...especially in basketball. It's a quick way to get an inferior roster. I'd only draft for need if you have two guys rated the same.

 

[AustinCarr]

Having possibly the greatest player of his generation (and possibly best PF of all time) on the roster kind of made that a little easier to do. Duncan is an all-time great, not just a stat stuffing all-star. Having that on the team every year gives you significantly more flexibility and room for error.

Granted. Duncan, and the first real overseas scouting dept helps.

 

[RaptorFan]

go raptors,.s gues whos drinkin tonite

 

[RaptorFan]

unfortunately i am at work, so i cannot drown my sorrows yet.

but when I do, watch out for a upcoming drunk rant thread

 

[KIrving15]

go raptors,.s gues whos drinkin tonite

A Canadian dinosaur?

 

[Born 'N' Raised]

go raptors,.s gues whos drinkin tonite

unfortunately i am at work, so i cannot drown my sorrows yet.

but when I do, watch out for a upcoming drunk rant thread

Really? I could have sworn you were 3 sheets to the wind already judging by that first post!

 

[AustinCarr]

So what you are saying is we should have drafted JV last yr ?

Regardless none of those players was taken in the top 5. I do not think projects should be drafted that high. That range is reserved for impact players

BPA is also a non brainer. Holes are for trades and FA.q

Projects are a luxury of winning teams and long rebuild plans. If they are going to try for a playoff push, maybe a project is not good. IMHO, the cavs need to invest in a full rebuild, which would allow for project players, as long as they are BPA. Nows the time to take those big risks.

And, yes, I was in the Jonas camp, though I like Tristan. I'm not going to dwell over not taking Jonas, though. We went with Tristan. That's that.

 

[karnsies817]

I agree that BPA works in a great deal of scenarios. For example When the lions had glaring holes and they took Calvin Johnson anyway. I remember that draft.

But this is not the nfl. We need to remove ourselves from that mindset.

I still think Perry Jones has just as much potential as Beal and he is bigger than him in the first place.

Kyrie makes everyone better and i dont think there is any situation i could say that i would not look forward to seeing a Kyrie and Jones tandem over seeing a TT and Robinson one.... I mean im just saying.

I feel like it would be a slap in the face to TT as well. I mean the dude has worked so hard and really has legitimately improved. Dont you want to see if he can get a shot going too?

Maybe then he really does become your full time starter and then you are really happy that you have TT and Jones because now you really have a core of players going not to mention our 24th pick. Rather than just a Duo.

I just dont see any situation in which im happy with having robinson even if he is great because i just see it as a waste in drafting TT.

We used our 4th pick so TT could come off the bench?

Here are my two arguments for you.

First of all Lets say like NoTitleTown says that maybe we could eventually trade TT because we have Robinson who i really have no idea how good he will actually be.

Can we get anywhere near the 4th pick in the NBA draft for him? No? I thought not. So there is a whole buttload of wasted value.

Secondly Even if we take robinson and suck more as another poster on here has said okay great so we tank again but seriously how good do you think Kyrie is going to feel about that?

Then we have to wait more time for the next rookie we draft that would nearly have to be Kyries true Robin to develop.

By the time he does Kyrie is nearing Free Agency and when he looks at our team he is going to say well we really havent won anything at all and so why should he resign?

Im tempted to say that maybe if robinson is really good that hey that would be awesome and lure him to stay but god it just hurts me inside to know that instead of having a trio of core players potentially, we potentially sit at a duo.

I mean if youre Kyrie what looks better to you?

There have been many articles that say could be quite fantastic!

Isnt there the article posted previously on here advocating taking lamb over beal?

I mean my point to you is that there isnt this hugedrop off here.

Im not even advocating either of those players.

If you are staring drummond in the face you take him over robinson all day purely based on what he might offer you alone.

Thoughts?

 

[AustinCarr]

Why does starting matter? There are plenty of minutes to go around. SA And OKC are no less trios, even though one of their three comes off the bench.

Basketball, more than any other major US sports about having the best players, since one player can be so much more impactful in basketball.

 

[TitleTown]

I agree that BPA works in a great deal of scenarios. For example When the lions had glaring holes and they took Calvin Johnson anyway. I remember that draft.

But this is not the nfl. We need to remove ourselves from that mindset.

I still think Perry Jones has just as much potential as Beal and he is bigger than him in the first place.

Kyrie makes everyone better and i dont think there is any situation i could say that i would not look forward to seeing a Kyrie and Jones tandem over seeing a TT and Robinson one.... I mean im just saying.

I feel like it would be a slap in the face to TT as well. I mean the dude has worked so hard and really has legitimately improved. Dont you want to see if he can get a shot going too?

Maybe then he really does become your full time starter and then you are really happy that you have TT and Jones because now you really have a core of players going not to mention our 24th pick. Rather than just a Duo.

I just dont see any situation in which im happy with having robinson even if he is great because i just see it as a waste in drafting TT.

We used our 4th pick so TT could come off the bench?

Here are my two arguments for you.

First of all Lets say like NoTitleTown says that maybe we could eventually trade TT because we have Robinson who i really have no idea how good he will actually be.

Can we get anywhere near the 4th pick in the NBA draft for him? No? I thought not. So there is a whole buttload of wasted value.

Secondly Even if we take robinson and suck more as another poster on here has said okay great so we tank again but seriously how good do you think Kyrie is going to feel about that?

Then we have to wait more time for the next rookie we draft that would nearly have to be Kyries true Robin to develop.

By the time he does Kyrie is nearing Free Agency and when he looks at our team he is going to say well we really havent won anything at all and so why should he resign?

Im tempted to say that maybe if robinson is really good that hey that would be awesome and lure him to stay but god it just hurts me inside to know that instead of having a trio of core players potentially, we potentially sit at a duo.

I mean if youre Kyrie what looks better to you?

There have been many articles that say could be quite fantastic!

Isnt there the article posted previously on here advocating taking lamb over beal?

I mean my point to you is that there isnt this hugedrop off here.

Im not even advocating either of those players.

If you are staring drummond in the face you take him over robinson all day purely based on what he might offer you alone.

Thoughts?

There is no way to respond to a post this all-over-the-place, with numerous ridiculous assumptions. Like, for example, BPA is only suited for the NFL.