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2014 Cleveland Browns

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Interesting to see where we're going to be at in 2015. Our rookies are developing well on defense -- Robertson and Kirksey both played very well yesterday, Williams is good, and even Gilbert should be better. Gipson will be back, etc......This should be a very good defense next year.

On the other side of the ball, Mack will be back, and with the Crow and West toting the rock, we should have a top 5 (at least) running game as well. And after how well all our new additions played this year, a WR corps of Gordon, Austin, Hawkins, Gabriel, and Benjamin looks pretty damn good to me.

All that, and we've got two first round picks and a lot of money next year. No. 1 need in the offseason is a truly disruptive pass rusher, but we've got the assets to fill that need.

Honestly, leaving QB out of it for obvious reasons, the 2015 Browns look to be the most well-rounded team since...the 60's? Better defense than the Bernie Era, better all-around offense than the Sipe or Belicheck eras, and the 70's and 2000's blew chunks.

I think that's why so many people are arguing about the QB position. Looking objectively at the rest of the team, this is a team that could win the whole thing next year if we have the right guy at QB.
Well, and some retooling on the dline
 
Well, and some retooling on the dline

The online without Mack has improved after a rocky start, and we already know how good it is with Mack. It's not a perfect unit, but still the best since at least the 80's.
 
The online without Mack has improved after a rocky start, and we already know how good it is with Mack. It's not a perfect unit, but still the best since at least the 80's.
Re-read, I said Dline. Completely agree with you about OLine.
 
Ouch...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-becoming-more-and-more-clear-that-browns-fan

It Becoming More And More Clear That Browns Fan Came To Sports Bar Alone
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HOUSTON—Noting his quiet demeanor and the fact that he has not been included in any of the conversations taking place around him, sources at Murphy’s Tavern and Grill confirmed Sunday with increasing certainty that a Cleveland Browns fan has shown up to the sports bar by himself.
The man—estimated to be in his late 20s or early 30s—has reportedly been standing silently between several groups of people he does not appear to be acquainted with in any way, and has seemingly not been looking around in an attempt to locate friends, relatives, or coworkers among the roughly 200 other patrons at Murphy’s, fueling speculation that he in fact purposefully and willingly came to the establishment alone.
Sources also confirmed that the man is the only person in the entire bar wearing a Browns jersey.
“I noticed him kind of standing on his own earlier, so I just figured he was waiting for his friends to show up, or maybe they were in the bathroom or something,” said 27-year-old Alex Rutland, adding that he has yet to see the man utter a single word to anyone in his immediate vicinity. “But then I looked back, like, 20 minutes later, and he was still just standing there by himself. He still is.”
“I guess it’s possible that he was supposed to meet people here, but then they canceled on him last minute,” Rutland continued. “It’s either that or he actually wanted to come here alone.”
According to witnesses, aside from briefly waiting to order a beer after initially arriving, the man has otherwise spent virtually all his time with his drink in hand while staring intently at the only television in the entire bar showing the Browns game. Whenever the game has gone to commercial, he has reportedly either turned to the Texans game being viewed by the majority of the bar’s patronage or simply looked down and browsed his phone.
Several early reports indicated that at one point, after Cleveland’s defense made a key stop on third down, the man shouted, “Yeah! There we go!” and clapped several times, which drew the attention of several neighboring patrons who looked around in confusion before realizing that he was talking to no one in particular.
While evidence continues mounting that the Browns fan has come to the bar by himself, the reasons behind why he has apparently chosen to do so are reportedly still unclear.
“The Browns game probably isn’t being shown on any of the local Houston stations, so this might be the only way he can see it,” said 34-year-old onlooker Erik Wickett. “But the thing is, you can just stream games online—there are a lot of sites that do that now. It’s not great video quality, but it still does the job. And that way you can stay at home instead of coming to a packed bar filled with a bunch of total strangers.”
“Is he trying to make friends?” Wickett added. “Is that what this is?”
Sources confirmed that at halftime, when everyone else in Murphy’s was busy eating bar food and engaging in friendly discussions about football, the Browns fan reportedly went to the bathroom and then, upon returning to the same spot where he was previously standing, watched the entire CBS halftime show with no volume.
Witnesses confirmed that he did attempt to converse with one other person midway through the third quarter, when, while ordering his second Blue Moon, he jokingly remarked to a bartender that Houston would be better off with J.J. Watt at quarterback instead of Ryan Mallett.
The man was also said to have largely ignored several nearby bar-goers who loudly cheered and exchanged high-fives around him while celebrating a Texans touchdown.
“To be perfectly honest, I’m having a tough time figuring out how this could possibly be an enjoyable experience for him,” said 31-year-old Denise Millman, who, like everyone else at the bar, reportedly came to enjoy football together with other people she actually knows and is friends with. “He looks like a perfectly normal person—and yet here he is at a crowded bar on a Sunday afternoon watching a football game by himself.”
At press time, after the Browns game had concluded, the man finished the last of his beer, placed his empty glass on the bar, and quietly walked out the door.
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Almost every bar I go to in Charlotte on Sundays has multiple Browns fans, not including me and one of my friends here who is also from Ohio.
 
Heard the Browns / Bills game would have been played in Chicago if Buffalo was still buried. Have hopes the stadium is flooded or something...would be great to head downtown to watch em. Lot of Browns fans in Chicago too - although crowd would probably be near 50-50.
 
Looks like there could be rain in Buffalo on Sunday. Rain and snow...the great equalizers.

Once that shit gets heavy, unless you're Tom Brady, it's all about the run game.

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Re-read, I said Dline. Completely agree with you about OLine.

Oh shit, you're right. My bad. That's what I get for not having my glasses on....

I did mention needing a dynamic pass rusher, but ideally, you're right. Having one of our DL in a 3-4 able to provide that would be a huge boost because it would open up more options with the lbs'.
 
RGIII has officially been benched by Washington in favor of Colt McCoy.

I'm just going to throw this out there right now, but you have to think the Browns will be among a short list of suitors for Griffin when the Redskins invariably put him on the trading block this off-season.

His history with Shanahan and this offense are going to raise that question and I would be all for it.

Get him out of that toxic Washington situation and see what he can do.
 
RGIII has officially been benched by Washington in favor of Colt McCoy.

I'm just going to throw this out there right now, but you have to think the Browns will be among a short list of suitors for Griffin when the Redskins invariably put him on the trading block this off-season.

His history with Shanahan and this offense are going to raise that question and I would be all for it.

Get him out of that toxic Washington situation and see what he can do.
What would you give up for him?
 
What would you give up for him?
Not much.

A 4 and a 6?

The potential and talent are unquestionably there if his mind and body are right, but he has alienated teammates and coaches, alike, and has a proven injury history that outweighs his production on the field.

Still a major risk for the teams willing to take a flier, IMO. Not worth a major investment.
 
What would you give up for him?

That's the big question. The connection b00bs made would make it very plausible to see that discussion happening, tho.

To add another wrinkle to the "what ifs", what if Kyle Shanny ends up with a head coaching job (let's say Jets)? Does he pull in RG3 to be his guy?

I do think RG3 can be a good player still. What's doing him in in the Redskins org. is that he's all buddy-buddy with Snyder. Not good in the locker-room when you're the guy who the owner likes. Especially when you're playing because he made it clear to the coach that you're the guy.. Toxic for him there; Daniel Snyder should have known better and stayed a bit further from the field when he drafted RG3
 

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