2014 NFL Draft Thread

[AZ_]

Please elaborate. Do you not like him due to his size, or because he would be our #2? Julio Jones and Roddy White combo worked out well for ATL and Gordon is a late night out away from a one year ban. If Watkins is bpa, why not take him?

White and Jones are like seven years apart and it's an apples and oranges comparison from a contract perspective.

Taking a complimentary weapon in the top five is an absurdly bold and ignorant step for a team like this.

The list of receivers under 6'2 taken in the top ten have almost TO A MAN been a disappointment.

Gordon is a year away from a ban, the answer to find help is not drafting another guy previously suspended for marijuana.

If he's the best player available, you trade down. Or you take the quarterback rated slightly below him.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

Please elaborate. Do you not like him due to his size, or because he would be our #2? Julio Jones and Roddy White combo worked out well for ATL and Gordon is a late night out away from a one year ban. If Watkins is bpa, why not take him?

I personally do not see it as a significant position of need. If i am remembering correctly, Shanny's offensive system always produced stong numbers for his no.1 reciever and strong to quite strong stats for the surrounding cast. Having Gordon, Cameron, Hawkins, Little and Burleson is more than adequate for the moment. I am also factoring in that they will take a WR in the later rounds - being this is such a deep draft at that position.

I strongly feel we have other areas that need more attention - QB, ILB, G and more depth at the safety spot.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

White and Jones are like seven years apart and it's an apples and oranges comparison from a contract perspective.

Taking a complimentary weapon in the top five is an absurdly bold and ignorant step for a team like this.

The list of receivers under 6'2 taken in the top ten have almost TO A MAN been a disappointment.

Gordon is a year away from a ban, the answer to find help is not drafting another guy previously suspended for marijuana.

If he's the best player available, you trade down. Or you take the quarterback rated slightly below him.

This right here.

 

[Mr. Orange]

White and Jones are like seven years apart and it's an apples and oranges comparison from a contract perspective.

Taking a complimentary weapon in the top five is an absurdly bold and ignorant step for a team like this.

The list of receivers under 6'2 taken in the top ten have almost TO A MAN been a disappointment.

Gordon is a year away from a ban, the answer to find help is not drafting another guy previously suspended for marijuana.

If he's the best player available, you trade down. Or you take the quarterback rated slightly below him.

Fair points. So who are four players worth taking at #4?

 

[Triplethreat]

White and Jones are like seven years apart and it's an apples and oranges comparison from a contract perspective.

Taking a complimentary weapon in the top five is an absurdly bold and ignorant step for a team like this.

The list of receivers under 6'2 taken in the top ten have almost TO A MAN been a disappointment.

Gordon is a year away from a ban, the answer to find help is not drafting another guy previously suspended for marijuana.

If he's the best player available, you trade down. Or you take the quarterback rated slightly below him.

You think everything other than taking a QB at 4 is an absurdly bad and ignorant step for this team. If Watkins is BPA, you take him and pair him with Gordon and give yourself one of the best WR tandems in the league to help out the QB that's going to be the starter.

 

[EdMonix11]

You think everything other than taking a QB at 4 is an absurdly bad and ignorant step for this team. If Watkins is BPA, you take him and pair him with Gordon and give yourself one of the best WR tandems in the league to help out the QB that's going to be the starter.

Problem is, neither of them, plus Cameron, would touch the ball enough to reach their full potential and that's the problem. You can get a very very good complimentary WR at 26 or 35, it's the deepest position in the draft by a wide margin. Plus, I'm not convinced Watkins is one, the best WR in the draft, and two, the best fit next to Gordon on and off the field.

 

[MD13]

You think everything other than taking a QB at 4 is an absurdly bad and ignorant step for this team. If Watkins is BPA, you take him and pair him with Gordon and give yourself one of the best WR tandems in the league to help out the QB that's going to be the starter.

If Watkins was head and shoulders above every receiver and good value at the pick I'd think of it there. But there's so much depth at this position that I could see a bunch of WRs in the 1-2 range with better careers than him down the line, and WR2 isn't close to our most pressing or important position.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a big fan of Watkins for 3 years but I don't buy what the media said about him being that far ahead of Evans, Beckham et al. If you look at the list of elite receivers in today's game, they're all 6'3+. Are you willing to bet a top 10 pick that Watkins is the only one who bucks that trend?

 

[Selby]

You think everything other than taking a QB at 4 is an absurdly bad and ignorant step for this team. If Watkins is BPA, you take him and pair him with Gordon and give yourself one of the best WR tandems in the league to help out the QB that's going to be the starter.

A tandem that we could only afford to keep for like two years. If we draft Watkins we are either going to let Gordon go, trade Watkins down the road, or tie up a good chunk of our cap space at one position. All of these scenarios are bad ideas.

If this was Madden, hell yeah. Take Watkins if he is BPA and don't look back. But this isn't Madden. If we want to keep Josh Gordon around long-term, we shouldn't draft Watkins. If we want to have both Watkins and Gordon long-term, we will have a hell of a time paying both of them.

 

[Phills14]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mike Pettine: &quot;Ideal situation&quot; is drafting quarterback later than fourth pick <a href="http://t.co/9RjO1ChOz2">http://t.co/9RjO1ChOz2</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/statuses/461462821587656704">April 30, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a pretty bold statement when you think about it. If the Browns end up drafting a QB at 4 then you'd have to believe they will be disappointed with the top of the draft.

My belief is they are targeting Bridgewater or Carr later in the 1st and are willing to A. trade down from 4 to pick up assets and be in a position to draft one of those guys or B. Select one at 26 or if need be move up to grab one earlier than 26.

I think the trade down scenario is the best scenario. If they stay at 4, I have a hard time finding a guy I actually want. I mean we can't take a LT and move him to RT or RG with the 4th pick. It's a poor value play to take Watkins at 4 and I'm not sold on taking Mack when it's clearly not a position of need and one that we are actually pretty young at.

 

[MGMT]

I don't understand the difference between selecting him at 4 and say... 10. I understand the actual difference is monetary but if you have a quarterback you really like, just take him. Who gives a shot what the media thinks of the value? Get your guy and don't look back.

I understand the prospect of extra picks is enticing but I'm not sure I like risking him being there later.

 

[Soda]

I really don't want to trade out of the top dozen picks... Prefer to stay in the top-10.. New regimes always think that they need to draft other positions before getting to QB, but we already know... You simply need a good QB. If one isn't a top-4 pick talent, trade to the right spot to grab the guy if you can.

 

[Phills14]

I don't understand the difference between selecting him at 4 and say... 10. I understand the actual difference is monetary but if you have a quarterback you really like, just take him. Who gives a shot what the media thinks of the value? Get your guy and don't look back.

I understand the prospect of extra picks is enticing but I'm not sure I like risking him being there later.

I really do think the Browns like Bridgewater and Carr and are comfortable with either of those guys being the next QB. That being said, I think it's reasonable to assume one or both will be there anywhere between 4-10. If they feel confident their guy will still be on the board in a trade down scenario, they absolutely should make the move. If they don't have that good feeling, they need to take their guy at 4 and move on to BPA at 26.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

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That's a pretty bold statement when you think about it. If the Browns end up drafting a QB at 4 then you'd have to believe they will be disappointed with the top of the draft.

My belief is they are targeting Bridgewater or Carr later in the 1st and are willing to A. trade down from 4 to pick up assets and be in a position to draft one of those guys or B. Select one at 26 or if need be move up to grab one earlier than 26.

I think the trade down scenario is the best scenario. If they stay at 4, I have a hard time finding a guy I actually want. I mean we can't take a LT and move him to RT or RG with the 4th pick. It's a poor value play to take Watkins at 4 and I'm not sold on taking Mack when it's clearly not a position of need and one that we are actually pretty young at.

At the same time, i dont see why they would all of sudden now decide to start showing their cards. Due to the absurdly long extension for the media/advertisement cash grab by the NFL - i think this is still a smokescreen.<iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" style="display: none;"></iframe>

 

[Jack Brickman]

At the same time, i dont see why they would all of sudden now decide to start showing their cards. Due to the absurdly long extension for the media/advertisement cash grab by the NFL - i think this is still a smokescreen.<iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" style="display: none;"></iframe>

This is simply Pettine saying, "Our pick is available for the right price. Make your offers."

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

everything and then some is a smokescreen. Only the front office people in Berea and Haslam know what they want. Everyone else is just chirping like the birds