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hacking bogut kind of worked. he hit 1 of 2 a few times, but i think i'd still rather that then let curry shoot

BS call at the end, but that's the respect the warriors have gotten for a while now
 
Offensive foul on Lowry ouch

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Raptors would have had it if they didn't shoot like us at FT line

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Is there any fucking sport where the refs aren't totally inept? Fucking incompetent refs. How the fuck was that an offensive foul on CoJo? It would have tied the game. Instead Warriors got two FTs.

Warriors may have the unbeaten record but I don't think its lasting long. They don't look like the complete juggernaut they did early in the season. As for Raptors, I am really impressed by them. Carroll and CoJo are fantastic additions to their team. DeRozan though is such a frustrating player, with his ISOs. Its one thing when you are LeBron, KD, Westbrook, Kyrie etc but DeRozan has cost them with his ISOs. His contract ends this summer no? It would be interesting to see if Raptors try to trade him for a more all-round SG or SF and then move Carroll to the SG spot.
 
Raptors got fucked on a bunch of calls tonight. Golden State got Golden State calls. The league needs to fix it's shit, because they're definitely allowing some teams to get away with more physical play than others.
 
Raptors shot 39 FTs on the road playing ISO ball. It's hard for them to complain about a lack of calls.
 
Okay guys, hear me out.

Potential Cavs/GSW finals re-match. Let's just assume everyone is healthy...

I don't think we defended Steph or Klay poorly. Delly has some white boy Aussie wizardry that somehow seems to at least make Steph work really hard. Shumpert matches Klay physically and seems like he's gotten very good at sticking to shooters that need a guy draped all over them(Korver, did an OK job on Curry, did well against Klay) We need to get Kyrie, Shumpert, and Delly on the court at the same time for big minutes.

Why not play LeBron at the 5???

Line-up and cross match-ups defensively.

Kyrie-----Iguodala
Dellavedova-------Curry
Shumpert---------Klay Thompson
Smith(can also use Jefferson here if J.R. is having IQ hiccups or if you just want a little more size/strength)-----------Barnes
LeBron---------------Draymond Green

Why can't that work? I think that line-up could actually cause a lot of problems for Golden State. Say they run their Curry/Klay/Iguodala/Barnes/Green line-up that seems to be their best line-up..

In that scenario, we can switch everything and put Dellavedova on Curry and Shumpert on Klay.

Worst thing they can do is get Delly switched onto Draymond but honestly while he's a really good playmaker I think we would have so much offensive firepower that I would live with GS relying on Draymond scoring against Dellavedova to win.

The only other issue is you have to make the decision to hide Kyrie on Barnes or Iguodala. Barnes can play kind of big and physical sometimes, I'd keep Irving on Iguodala and Smith on Barnes and if either start having a lot of trouble in the post or on the lass just have LBJ help off of Draymond, because LBJ can cover so much ground and, again, if GS beats me with Draymond SCORING, then so be it, it's the 8 assists from the guy that plays 30 minutes at Center that kills you because those 8 assists are going to be worth probably at least 20 if not the full 24.

I could totally see LeBron going Magic-circa 1980 and dropping 42/15 playing Center.

Even if they come in with Ezeli, so what. Is he going to post LBJ up or something? I know LBJ has the strength and hops to hold his own on the glass. Even Bogut doesn't scare me THAT much. What are they going to do, stop having Klay and Steph shoot threes so they can have Bogut post up LeBron?

Hell, if they bring in Ezeli or Bogut and Green at the 4, we just go back to traditional with Love/Moz or Love/TT and we slow the pace down and beat the shit out of them(at that point we've won).

If I'm Blatt, I'm practicing an hour a day/holding unannounced workouts in secret with LeBron at the 5 and not telling anyone.

Then if we re-match GS in the finals we bust it out, get our two best guys for Klay and Steph glues to Klay and Steph the whole game, and then just bet that Kyrie and J.R. out-score Barnes and Iguodala.

I promise I haven't been drinking. I just think LeBron is goin to put up 40/10/10 from any position on the floor, so why not take the most ineffective position for us, put LeBron's production there, get our best perimeter defenders on the floor, and basically roll the dice that Kyrie Irving and J.R or Jefferson outscore Andre Iguodala and Harrison Barnes. Take away the playmaking of Iguodala and Green....

You guys can call me G, I only let Dan Gilbert call me Mr. Popovich.
 
Rich said:
Raptors shot 39 FTs on the road playing ISO ball. It's hard for them to complain about a lack of calls.
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Thats not the way to judge it though. Almost all the calls Raptors got were legitimate ones. Just because a team has more FTs doesn't mean the ref favoured them!
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Okay guys, hear me out.

Potential Cavs/GSW finals re-match. Let's just assume everyone is healthy...

I don't think we defended Steph or Klay poorly. Delly has some white boy Aussie wizardry that somehow seems to at least make Steph work really hard. Shumpert matches Klay physically and seems like he's gotten very good at sticking to shooters that need a guy draped all over them(Korver, did an OK job on Curry, did well against Klay) We need to get Kyrie, Shumpert, and Delly on the court at the same time for big minutes.

Why not play LeBron at the 5???

Line-up and cross match-ups defensively.

Kyrie-----Iguodala
Dellavedova-------Curry
Shumpert---------Klay Thompson
Smith(can also use Jefferson here if J.R. is having IQ hiccups or if you just want a little more size/strength)-----------Barnes
LeBron---------------Draymond Green

Why can't that work? I think that line-up could actually cause a lot of problems for Golden State. Say they run their Curry/Klay/Iguodala/Barnes/Green line-up that seems to be their best line-up..

In that scenario, we can switch everything and put Dellavedova on Curry and Shumpert on Klay.

Worst thing they can do is get Delly switched onto Draymond but honestly while he's a really good playmaker I think we would have so much offensive firepower that I would live with GS relying on Draymond scoring against Dellavedova to win.

The only other issue is you have to make the decision to hide Kyrie on Barnes or Iguodala. Barnes can play kind of big and physical sometimes, I'd keep Irving on Iguodala and Smith on Barnes and if either start having a lot of trouble in the post or on the lass just have LBJ help off of Draymond, because LBJ can cover so much ground and, again, if GS beats me with Draymond SCORING, then so be it, it's the 8 assists from the guy that plays 30 minutes at Center that kills you because those 8 assists are going to be worth probably at least 20 if not the full 24.

I could totally see LeBron going Magic-circa 1980 and dropping 42/15 playing Center.

Even if they come in with Ezeli, so what. Is he going to post LBJ up or something? I know LBJ has the strength and hops to hold his own on the glass. Even Bogut doesn't scare me THAT much. What are they going to do, stop having Klay and Steph shoot threes so they can have Bogut post up LeBron?

Hell, if they bring in Ezeli or Bogut and Green at the 4, we just go back to traditional with Love/Moz or Love/TT and we slow the pace down and beat the shit out of them(at that point we've won).

If I'm Blatt, I'm practicing an hour a day/holding unannounced workouts in secret with LeBron at the 5 and not telling anyone.

Then if we re-match GS in the finals we bust it out, get our two best guys for Klay and Steph glues to Klay and Steph the whole game, and then just bet that Kyrie and J.R. out-score Barnes and Iguodala.

I promise I haven't been drinking. I just think LeBron is goin to put up 40/10/10 from any position on the floor, so why not take the most ineffective position for us, put LeBron's production there, get our best perimeter defenders on the floor, and basically roll the dice that Kyrie Irving and J.R or Jefferson outscore Andre Iguodala and Harrison Barnes. Take away the playmaking of Iguodala and Green....

You guys can call me G, I only let Dan Gilbert call me Mr. Popovich.
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That is actually a good plan, TBH. But, I think we will play TT if they go small with LeBron as PF. Having said that, I feel if we are fully healthy we can outplay them.
 
The Red Viper said:
That is actually a good plan, TBH. But, I think we will play TT if they go small with LeBron as PF. Having said that, I feel if we are fully healthy we can outplay them.
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I agree that going small would most likely result with TT and LeBron. That's definitely what we would do, and then just hope that Shump doesn't pull up half-lame again, J.R. hits some shots going back down the 4th option rather than the 2nd, and that Kyrie and Love help us score enough to keep paced and then we can out-close them with LBJ/Kyrie. Which very well could work and have us become champions.


I just think though, that the only formula the Warriors found that they really outplayed us with, was that very small-ball line-up with Draymond at the 5. Otherwise,we controlled the pace and the paint really well with our assortment of big-men and would do it again. So I was just plotting ways to either out-small-ball the Warriors, or to confuse them just enough to get some of their traditional bigs back on the court. I'm not sure which would be more likely in my scenario, but either one would be a smashing success.gggg

I just feel that while TT did a good job, LeBron can clean up the glass just as well( maybe even better on the defensive glass) and that's TT's only strength because rim protection is basically thrown out the window in that line-up. TT's limited offensive skill-set lets them basically ignore him and leaves us one less weapon offensively. Plus we keep Delly out there who seems to give Curry legitimate, real, tangible problems from a defensive standpoint.

You basically replace TT with Delly and shift LBJ around. You add a dimension to the offense, you either run Kyrie(or even Delly could do it!!!!) to initiate from the top of the key, and then you could put LeBron alone on the elbow or just straight to the post. That team would be a nightmare to defend. Even with a few guys who aren't prolific offensive players like Shump and Delly, Curry isn't getting any possessions off defensively because he's oing to have to double LeBron or rotate after Kyrie roasts Iguodala off the fuckin dribble!!! I think we can defend Klay and Curry 1-on-1 with no help better than they can defend Kyrie and LeBron, and that's a byproduct of LeBron being LeBron and being able to post like Karl Malone run and gun like Magic or take over like Michael.....and also a byproduct of Kyrie being an insanely good/not even borderline anymore just straight unstoppable offensive weapon. Dellavedova will do better work on Curry than Iguodala would be able to do on Kyrie and Shumpert would easily do better work on Klay than Draymond would do on LeBron.

If you think about it, as convoluted as it sounds, we basically do what we did to beat them twice, in a different way.

The way we beat them twice was by making them play our preferred style at the time. We did that by controlling the pace.

In this scenario, we concede the pace, but we still are fundamentally changing the style and flow of the game. With LBJ at the 5 as our swiss army knife, we literally put the onus of success on isolation, and we gamble that our isolation play will be better than their isolation play. And I think that is a good gamble, because I think they are a better cohesively put together unit, but I think we are more talented and as much as people seem to hate it, god damnit we are fucking beastly in isolation basketball...

so let's turn the game into an isolation fest, and if they want to force us out of the isolation fest, they have to muck it up inside and play a half-court traditional game with big-men, which is the other component that we also are, in my opinion, clearly better than them at.

GET OFF YOUR HANDS AND GET LEBRON AT THE 5, FERRY!!!!!!!



Now, it will never happen because this is the NBA and if we did it and lost a game by 30 David Blatt would lose his job, but I just have a feeling that the current Warriors small-ball is legitimately unbeatable unless you have one of two guys:

1. LeBron James
2. Kawhi Leonard(only because he comes with the caveat of having the Spurs offense that's going to rack up 28 assists and score 105 points while he defends all 5 positions and dominates the game from a physical defensive end of the floor standpoint)
 
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GSW small ball is not unbeatable guys. This is the regular season. Teams are not game planning and training and practicing to stop Steph Curry.

They will come playoff time.

If they face the Spurs, I don't think GSW makes it out of the West. In fact, I think they get fucking rocked. I'd rather play the Warriors.
 
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