2015 Series #13 -|- Indians @ White Sox -|- May 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st.

[DougHeil]

Francona on the Perez play:

"He did the best he could."

That's just part of what he said, but geezee Francona, can't you ever say something like this?

"He needs to make that play. It cost us the game tonight."

Why not? Why does Francona not ever criticize a play or the players? What happened in Boston is slowing but surely making some sense as we go here.

 

[Stark]

Francona on the Perez play:

"He did the best he could."

That's just part of what he said, but geezee Francona, can't you ever say something like this?

"He needs to make that play. It cost us the game tonight."

Why not? Why does Francona not ever criticize a play or the players? What happened in Boston is slowing but surely making some sense as we go here.

If it came with those two World Series titles, I wouldn't care if Santana and Bourn were drinking in the clubhouse.

 

[Real Deal]

..you all are aware that the guy the Tribe faced was one of the two pitchers Kluber beat out for the Cy Young last year, right? This wasn't Bruce Chen shutting them out. The Sox then threw their two best relievers. Problem for the Indians is that their best reliever right now is McAllister.

We are well aware of this guy, we owned him 2013. But that's not even the point because we have yet another bullpen loss.

 

[Real Deal]

Feast or famine offensively with this team.

They have a few big outings propping up their runs scored average, but just way too many nights of 1-2 to give themselves a viable chance to win on a nightly basis.

No different than the last few years in that regard really.

Last year being 17-2 against the sox was the major difference, that's an easy +15 on our scetchy record.

This win one, lose a few crap seems like its never going to end. Consistently bad more than good, and Tito's pressers are so vanilla you'd think nothing bad is going on, just happy to be making millions and living the high life more so than winning a world series.

Team needs a spark. Desperately.

 

[Birdy89]

Last year being 17-2 against the sox was the major difference, that's an easy +15 on our scetchy record.

That was 2 years ago, the year we made the play in game.

It was part of why last year's team fell back to earth a bit, because that was not repeatable.

The rest of the division improved this off-season and we stood pat like we had won the world series. That is a large part of the problem. We were a flawed team that did nothing to help itself, and we are reaping the rewards right now.

Tito is the only thing that has kept this team the past few years from being a 75 win team. The overall talent level is extremely thin and the roster very poorly constructed, the guy has worked miracles in his time here.

The Dolans should be the first one to go, but sadly that is not an option currently. Everything else is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic as far as I'm concerned as long as they own the team.

 

[AZ_]

Francona on the Perez play:

"He did the best he could."

That's just part of what he said, but geezee Francona, can't you ever say something like this?

"He needs to make that play. It cost us the game tonight."

Why not? Why does Francona not ever criticize a play or the players? What happened in Boston is slowing but surely making some sense as we go here.

Doesn't do much of anything, and to point the blame at the only guy to score a run tonight as "costing them the game" is pretty dumb in and of itself.

It's not going to make you feel any better, it's not going to make them play any better either.

 

[The Oi]

Firing Tito is meaningless. Baseball managers have minimal impact on the game.

There's probably 5-7 fans that go to the game to see Tito that they'd lose if they hired another Manny Acta. No reason to fire Tito.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Firing Tito is meaningless. Baseball managers have minimal impact on the game.

There's probably 5-7 fans that go to the game to see Tito that they'd lose if they hired another Manny Acta. No reason to fire Tito.

I agree. But that doesn't mean it won't happen.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Last year being 17-2 against the sox was the major difference, that's an easy +15 on our scetchy record.

This win one, lose a few crap seems like its never going to end. Consistently bad more than good, and Tito's pressers are so vanilla you'd think nothing bad is going on, just happy to be making millions and living the high life more so than winning a world series.

Team needs a spark. Desperately.

Yan Gomes coming back is about as close as we're going to get. Short of that, we need the offense and the pitching to sync up consistently, but I just don't see that happening.

 

[Huber.]

Tito will jump ship to a team with money before he gets fired.

 

[Real Deal]

Yan Gomes coming back is about as close as we're going to get. Short of that, we need the offense and the pitching to sync up consistently, but I just don't see that happening.

Why not make it a 2 for 1 and bring up Lindor in June?

 

[Real Deal]

Anybody feeling better about their favorite baseball team from last night?

Is their even a fall guy in all of this? Can't blame Tito, he's proven. Can't blame Shapiro. But you can blame Antonetti since he is the acting GM and putting a now retired Bruce Chen on the field, putting stock in Floyd as a 5th starter which will now feature Marcum, another washed up vet. Is it his fault Z-Mach imploded as a starter, probably not. But you have to factor in him having only pitch that could only last so long as 2-3 innings.

Bourn and Swish, horrible signings as of today, they probably, most likely will never meet their career averages again, any team that has x amount of dollars to spend and shells out 28 million is dead in the water.

Totally wish they were 3 year deals, would of been perfect, but these greedy assholes wanted extra money and years to because that's all they care about. Its like they knew they would decline and will never make what they're making again. Now were stuck for the time being.

I really hope Gomes comes back and a June call up in Lindor ignite a fire for a summer surge, only the Indians way to get hot and barely miss out, I can see it happening with all the early what if losses piling up that would easily be remembered come September.

Wasting so much starting pitching early on, instead of being 9 back from even ball, we can easily be 2-3 back if we had a potent hitting attack and a few more timely hits, or better plate discipline.

Just had to vent a little bit more in this early morning, because the same shit keeps happening and happening. We can't catch a break, or a winning streak, and it doesn't feel quite good that we are the worst team in the AL.

Indians should also thank LeBron somewhat, because of him this horrible start hasn't even sunk in yet on fans, but in a month it would.

 

[macbdog]

Tl;Dr

Kluber looks like he has turned the corner. Tribe ran into a Cy Young caliber pitcher who was on his A game. I'm sorry to those who are upset that Francona doesn't publicly throw his players under the bus. Jim Leyland never did this, neither did Sparky Anderson. The failure to quantify what a manager brings does not mean they have no effect. I realize some of you thrive on being criticized publicly but most people don't. I really don't see what it accomplishes for Terry Francona to blast his own guy ago the fan at home finds some kind of justification.

 

[Chris]

Agreed.

Anyway, the team is just bad. No way around it. Time to accept. Hopefully the Cavs make the Finals so the sports drought is only like 2 months long instead of 3.

 

[Pyro]

Baseball is the greatest sport in the world. Even losing, shitty baseball is better than the WWE. I mean NBA.