2016 Draft Prospects Thread

[AZ_]

Guys I'm scared. Yesterday our defense stepped up big time, but our pesky offense did everything they could to win. We even successfully ran a screen play to a RB. I couldn't believe my eyes! That offense looked capable of stealing a few games, and with how horse manure Houston looks, with Chicago now looking to trade Forte (cheating bastards), and with the Jags losing to Matt Hasselbeck 2 wins might be the max if we want that first pick.

It's time to fight fire with fire and bring out weapon X (Johnny). I don't think McCown can lead us to Goff

The Jags don't worry me as much as others, they've committed to Bortles and he's been showing some improvement.

The teams Cleveland should be cheering for are San Francisco, Chicago, Philly and Houston.

I'm not at all concerned with Jacksonville, Detroit, Tampa Bay.

Also, no way teams like NO, KC and Baltimore don't win more games down the stretch.


The tank is ON, boys.

Accept it, ride it, feel it.

 

[I'mWithDan]

The teams Cleveland should be cheering for are San Francisco, Chicago, Philly and Houston.

I'm not at all concerned with Jacksonville, Detroit, Tampa Bay.

Also, no way teams like NO, KC and Baltimore don't win more games down the stretch.

Chicago is clearly the team that is willing to flush the season. They traded two of their only good defensive players for nothing and now they are advertising trading Forte, their only good offensive player who's healthy.

Houston has a far more favorable schedule and a good defense (top half of the league). They still play Jacksonville twice, Tennessee twice and get New Orleans at home. If Foster can just stay on the field for those games, they should win a majority of them and then also steal 1-2 somewhere else.

It would take a tank job of monumental proportions for Philly to be in the mix. That team, while a bit of a hot mess, has way too much talent. They also have a bunch of winnable games left: New Orleans, Carolina, Miami, Tampa, Detroit, Washington. Plus they get Arizona at home in December. I can't see them being bad enough if they remain healthy.

The 49ers are a mess and play in a division that gives them no easy wins. I'd say San Fran and Chicago are going to be the worst teams, which would make that December game pretty interesting. That's a pretty easy one for San Fran to just roll over and not try. Cold weather, late in the season and nothing to play for....the Browns will really have their work cut out for them if they want to out suck San Fran in that contest.

I look at schedules (49ers) and teams' willingness to flat out give up (Chicago) and it's going to be pretty tough. If McCown is healthy all year, I can't imagine the Browns are capable of sucking more than the 49ers or Bears, from what I have seen.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

The Jags don't worry me as much as others, they've committed to Bortles and he's been showing some improvement.

The teams Cleveland should be cheering for are San Francisco, Chicago, Philly and Houston.

I'm not at all concerned with Jacksonville, Detroit, Tampa Bay.

Also, no way teams like NO, KC and Baltimore don't win more games down the stretch.


The tank is ON, boys.

Accept it, ride it, feel it.

The problem with Tampa Bay and Jacksonville is if they get the #1 pick and after all the dust settles Goff is viewed as the one and only FQB in the draft they could pull a Rams move and hold the pick for ransom.

Basically if a team that needs a QB gets pick 1 we're screwed and if a team that doesn't need a QB gets #1 there are enough desperate GMs out there that we would have to get into a bidding war with other teams.

I'd rather avoid the headache and start weapon X

 

[AZ_]

The problem with Tampa Bay and Jacksonville is if they get the #1 pick and after all the dust settles Goff is viewed as the one and only FQB in the draft they could pull a Rams move and hold the pick for ransom.

Basically if a team that needs a QB gets pick 1 we're screwed and if a team that doesn't need a QB gets #1 there are enough desperate GMs out there that we would have to get into a bidding war with other teams.

I'd rather avoid the headache and start weapon X

I don't necessarily think teams are as willing to put the RGIII-level offer out there as much as they have been in the past.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't necessarily think teams are as willing to put the RGIII-level offer out there as much as they have been in the past.

I hope you're right, but as I've learned when I emphatically told my friends that neither Tebow nor Manziel would be drafted in the first round, it only takes one desperate GM to do something very stupid...

 

[CBBI]

I don't think you'll see an RG3 type of trade ever again either considering how bad it worked out for the Redskins.

For my money, the 49ers are the worst team in the NFL. Kaepernick has been god awful, but I'm not sure if they would get rid of him this quickly or not.

We're rooting for New Orleans, Washington, Houston and Chicago to win.

Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami and Detroit can keep losing.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I don't think you'll see an RG3 type of trade ever again either considering how bad it worked out for the Redskins.

For my money, the 49ers are the worst team in the NFL. Kaepernick has been god awful, but I'm not sure if they would get rid of him this quickly or not.

That team is pretty dysfunctional for an organization that has won the last few years.

It takes a pretty strong level of incompetence to run off a coach as good as Harbaugh.

Running off his QB would be the next logical step.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't think you'll see an RG3 type of trade ever again either considering how bad it worked out for the Redskins.

For my money, the 49ers are the worst team in the NFL. Kaepernick has been god awful, but I'm not sure if they would get rid of him this quickly or not.

We're rooting for New Orleans, Washington, Houston and Chicago to win.

Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami and Detroit can keep losing.

I disagree with you guys. The Ricky Williams trade didn't prevent the RG3 trade from happening and that one was even worse. We offered our entire draft for Bradford (the year he was drafted), but it was declined.

I think most GMs would do anything to get that FQB. It is boom or bust, but if you find a FQB it sure does cover a multitude of sins. If Goff ends up being a top 5 QB you would be a fool NOT to give up 3 first rounders for him. Is it guaranteed? Of course not. Just like it isn't guaranteed that those 3 first round picks you spend won't be on Weeden, T-Rich, and Mingo -P).

It is a calculated risk. You miss and you're out. You hit and enjoy being the 'super genius GM' for the next 12-15 years. Hell Grigson is viewed by some as a good GM because just because of the Luck pick. As if there was any doubt who would be picked. Grigson will be sitting pretty just because of Luck for at least a few more years.

If you find a GM fighting for his job I could absolutely see them swinging for the fences. Remember our Weeden and Richardson first round was our version of a desperate GM 'swining for the fences'. It was also the year we tried to trade 3 first rounders for RG3. Hell, wasn't one of the cited reasons for their firing the failure to get RG3?

Anything other than the first pick and I'm sweating a bit.

 

[FiveThous]

It is a calculated risk. You miss and you're out. You hit and enjoy being the 'super genius GM' for the next 12-15 years. Hell Grigson is viewed by some as a good GM because just because of the Luck pick. As if there was any doubt who would be picked. Grigson will be sitting pretty just because of Luck for at least a few more years.

I'm fairly certain Grigson has taken a lot of heat this year in his neglect for lack of protection for Luck. I don't believe many think he's a good GM.

 

[AZ_]

I disagree with you guys. The Ricky Williams trade didn't prevent the RG3 trade from happening and that one was even worse. We offered our entire draft for Bradford (the year he was drafted), but it was declined.

I think most GMs would do anything to get that FQB. It is boom or bust, but if you find a FQB it sure does cover a multitude of sins. If Goff ends up being a top 5 QB you would be a fool NOT to give up 3 first rounders for him. Is it guaranteed? Of course not. Just like it isn't guaranteed that those 3 first round picks you spend won't be on Weeden, T-Rich, and Mingo -P).

It is a calculated risk. You miss and you're out. You hit and enjoy being the 'super genius GM' for the next 12-15 years. Hell Grigson is viewed by some as a good GM because just because of the Luck pick. As if there was any doubt who would be picked. Grigson will be sitting pretty just because of Luck for at least a few more years.

If you find a GM fighting for his job I could absolutely see them swinging for the fences. Remember our Weeden and Richardson first round was our version of a desperate GM 'swining for the fences'. It was also the year we tried to trade 3 first rounders for RG3. Hell, wasn't one of the cited reasons for their firing the failure to get RG3?

Anything other than the first pick and I'm sweating a bit.

In fairness, you're talking about two in 15 years.

Both orchestrated by legendarily bad General Managers.

 

[Binkster]

I don't think you'll see an RG3 type of trade ever again either considering how bad it worked out for the Redskins.

For my money, the 49ers are the worst team in the NFL. Kaepernick has been god awful, but I'm not sure if they would get rid of him this quickly or not.

We're rooting for New Orleans, Washington, Houston and Chicago to win.

Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami and Detroit can keep losing.

Chicago and Houston look like they may out-lose everyone (despite Chicago's win yesterday). San Fran is lol bad and they'd be morons to let Kaep's contract get in the way of drafting the best QB prospect since Luck.

I also think Washington has a nice, long losing streak in the not so distant future.

My guess is the Browns will (once again) fall within picks 4-6. There are teams much more devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. Our biggest deterrents right now are penalties and defensive scheming - both can be adjusted.

 

[Los216]

There are no teams in the league who will take on Kaep or Cutlers contracts. There's also no chance that the Bears or 49ers draft QB's in the top 5 and put Kaep or Cutler on the bench.

Do you think if Miami gets the fist pick teams will be wiling to trade for Tanny? Hell no. I hope y'all don't think these teams are stupid.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

There are no teams in the league who will take on Kaep or Cutlers contracts. There's also no chance that the Bears or 49ers draft QB's in the top 5 and put Kaep or Cutler on the bench.

Do you think if Miami gets the fist pick teams will be wiling to trade for Tanny? Hell no. I hope y'all don't think these teams are stupid.

I think Tannehill would be easily moveable.

I think Kapernick would be moveable, but they would get little in return for him because of the contract.

I think Cutler would be moveable, but this is the least moveable of the three. Cutler would still easily be our best QB STTR and if the only thing holding us back is money (assuming we miss on Goff) then I would rather have Cutler than anything else we could realistically have next year.

 

[FiveThous]

There are no teams in the league who will take on Kaep or Cutlers contracts. There's also no chance that the Bears or 49ers draft QB's in the top 5 and put Kaep or Cutler on the bench.

Do you think if Miami gets the fist pick teams will be wiling to trade for Tanny? Hell no. I hope y'all don't think these teams are stupid.

Cutler is a FA after this year, no?

 

[AZ_]

The 49ers can cut ties with Kaep at any point, they owe him no further guaranteed money.

Cutler doesn't become expendable until 2017, but well within the range of drafting a QB like Goff.