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2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

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Who do you plan to vote for in November?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 93 39.6%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 44 18.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 55 23.4%
  • I won't vote

    Votes: 43 18.3%

  • Total voters
    235
These forms of birth control simply cause spontaneous abortion. They don't prevent conception. There's no ethical difference between using birth control, Plan B, and having an 8-week abortion.



I... don't even know what to say about this. It's a fascist and insane viewpoint that "people should be sterilized."


Most people take combination birth control pills (estrogen and progestin). They work by preventing ovulation from occurring at all, meaning they do not result in an egg being released to even be fertilized. So yes, there is a difference. The Plan B pill prevents ovulation as well, if a female is already pregnant (the fertilized egg has attached to the uterus), it will not terminate the pregnancy. It can prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus, however. There is a difference between birth control and abortion, to say there is not is borderline insane.

I do not see a problem with tinkering with the gene pool through voluntary sterilizations in exchange for financial incentives. I would only like to target detrimental genes. Ideally, science will find a way to eliminate bad genes from being passed on without voluntary sterilization, but that is not an option yet.
 
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Re-read my posts. You're projecting viewpoints on them that I didn't express.

Particularly as relates to homicide vs murder and my opinion on legality of abortion.

As is you're asking me to debate points I haven't and wouldn't make.
Definition of homicide: the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Like I said words have meanings and you can't be a provocateur and change the definition along the way. Homicide is a synonym for murder

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Definition of homicide: the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Like I said words have meanings and you can't be a provocateur and change the definition along the way. Homicide is a synonym for murder

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There are exceptions and I have expressed which definition I'm using already. This is literally findable in the top three google results.

Do the work. Google it, re-read my posts and cum back to talk.

Not starting over.
 
I support abortion. I'm also fine with killing babies. And small children. Really anything below the age of 18 I couldn't care less about. Kids are awful.
 
I support abortion. I'm also fine with killing babies. And small children. Really anything below the age of 18 I couldn't care less about. Kids are awful.

Why not shitty adults too? I can think of like...70 off-hand I'd like dead.
 
Only 70? I'd be fine with losing entire states.

Pick three. And be serious. Think it out.

If I had to pick three, I go with Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota.

I know California is the easy answer. The people there overall just completely suck. There is no state with shittier people per capita. But you lose California and you lose the bulk of entertainment. There's no movies for an extended period of time or at least shitty ones.

New York has a lot of shit-heads too, but again...you've got a lot of people who are integral to the way our country operates.

I figure with the states I picked, we're losing nothing major. I think you're doing very little to affect our economy and enterainment. And in the case of North Dakota, it literally doesn't even exist.
 
Pick three. And be serious. Think it out.

If I had to pick three, I go with Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota.

I know California is the easy answer. The people there overall just completely suck. There is no state with shittier people per capita. But you lose California and you lose the bulk of entertainment. There's no movies for an extended period of time or at least shitty ones.

New York has a lot of shit-heads too, but again...you've got a lot of people who are integral to the way our country operates.

I figure with the states I picked, we're losing nothing major. I think you're doing very little to affect our economy and enterainment. And in the case of North Dakota, it literally doesn't even exist.

Texas is definitely first on the list. It's an entire state filled with racist, redneck, bible-thumping gun nuts. Don't need any of that.

You can't get rid of New York or California, as they're basically all that's standing between us and President Trump. You may not like a lot of the people there, but they're the ones keeping the political crazies at bay.

I'll agree on Mississippi. It doesn't seem like there's much going on there. I'd probably add in Indiana, as it's really just Ohio minus the sane people.
 
Normally, it would hold at least some water.

But in this particular case, the content of that opinion -- which was unpublished and only relayed indirectly through multiple people - directly contradicted the published opinion of someone who i think was in an even better position to know. You can't reconcile the opinions of Dershowitz and your mom's friend, so it's one or the other.

I don't find the extreme (because that's what it is) claim that Cruz "doesn't believe a bit of what he says" to be plausible. So, given the choice between believing a compliment from a well-known, respected, but ideologically opposed law professor who knew Cruz even earlier, or an third-hand insult from an unnamed and unknown Texas Republican, I go with the former.
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Yes. A law professor will get to know some students much better than others. Cruz was apparently very outspoken, and was not only a Law Review Editor, but the Executive Editor of the Journal of Law and Public Policy. He likely had buttloads of legal/political duscussions with, or at least in front of, Dershowitz.

Not sure if you're familiar with that latter journal, but I've subscribed to it since 1989. It is the foundational journal of the conservative Federalist Society, which is absolutely consistent with Cruz' current views. The idea that he joined the Federalist Society at Harvard but "didn't really believe a bit of it" is simply ridiculous to me. In fact:

During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where he learned about free-market economic philosophers such asMilton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises.[32] The program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.[24]

So either Cruz has been conducting this incredible masquerade as a hard-line libertarian conservative since the age of 13, or he's a true believer. I find the latter more plausible. Your view differs. But i've never heard anyone else, at any time, claim that he doesn't believe at least most of what he says.



Depending upon how memorable a student you were, they'd certainly know if your views are consistent with what you expressed 20 years ago.



What?! No offense cause i think you're a good guy, but that's complete bullshit. Maybe you miswrote what you intended to say, but all i did was read what you actually wrote:



Maybe you should have clarified what you meant a bit earlier....



Dude, if you'd have actually written that, I wouldn't have argued with a word of it.

Look, there aren't many conservatives in these threads, and conservative pols get a lot of shots thrown their way. I was just trying to respond to what I saw as an unfair accusation.

I suppose it all depends on your definition of bit and it is a matter of reader preference in translating "he didn't buy into a bit of what he was selling." I'm not trying to fool or attack you but at first I did not understand how you read into what you read.

Now though, I'd argue that because, by your own admission, that there are few conservatives on these threads and that the conservative position is often attacked, that your pre-disposition is to assume an attack is under way and read the above written phrase as "he didn't buy into a bit" as "he didn't buy into [it one] bit."

I think most read it as "didn't buy into a bit of what he was selling" as "didn't buy into [a little bit or some of] what he was selling." Now that I ponder this for the last two days I now kind of think it slightly bizarre that that is how you took that sentence given the way it is written. I guess in context it makes sense if you felt I was attacking Cruz as a total hypocrite. He is no more hypocrite than 95% of all pols.

As for your argument on Dershowitz and omniscient law professors. You are grasping for straws here. Look, I'll break it down:

1. Dershowitz barely knew Cruz personally during the time Cruz was in law school 30 years ago. Afterwards, he certainly knew more of Cruz than he actually knew Cruz. That does mean he knows the outlines of Cruz's beliefs and personality. They may have corresponded. They may have even spent ten hours together since law school over the past three decades in the same room.

2. Texas Lady worked with Cruz closely over the past decade building his career. They worked in person over the years at a variety of functions from planning sessions, fundraisers and during the eventual campaign her efforts made possible. This is 100s of hours of direct personal contact. Not correspondence, not through journals and not through sound bytes. There is no comparison here. Zero. None. The thing speaks for itself.

3. I now see why we are having this pointless debate and that is because you misread or misinterpreted one sentence in that post. She wasn't insulting Cruz, a man she helped elect and saw something in as long ago as the mid-2000s, but merely stated the truth about all politicians: That they embellish shit for votes and donors (and that yes, these guys also tend to get caught up in the DC scene once they arrive). I'm sure you have a number of prominent elected friends so you must know that in private these guys are somewhat different than their on-stage persona. Except Paul Ryan. The man is a walking frown.

In sum, we're debating nothing at all.
 
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Pick three. And be serious. Think it out.

If I had to pick three, I go with Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota.

I know California is the easy answer. The people there overall just completely suck. There is no state with shittier people per capita. But you lose California and you lose the bulk of entertainment. There's no movies for an extended period of time or at least shitty ones.

New York has a lot of shit-heads too, but again...you've got a lot of people who are integral to the way our country operates.

I figure with the states I picked, we're losing nothing major. I think you're doing very little to affect our economy and enterainment. And in the case of North Dakota, it literally doesn't even exist.

You are not allowed to destroy the Dakotas. They have a higher percentage of hot blondes per person than any other state in the Union.

If we are talking about not hurting the economy too much, and ridding our society of idiots, then the obvious answer is Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas. West Virginia as a bonus.
 
You are not allowed to destroy the Dakotas. They have a higher percentage of hot blondes per person than any other state in the Union.

If we are talking about not hurting the economy too much, and ridding our society of idiots, then the obvious answer is Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas. West Virginia as a bonus.

Forgot West Virginia. What a fucking shit-hole.

West Virginia will replace one of the Dakotas. Hot blondes? How so? Is this a known thing?
 
Forgot West Virginia. What a fucking shit-hole.

West Virginia will replace one of the Dakotas. Hot blondes? How so? Is this a known thing?

Half the population is descended from Norwegian and Swedish immigrants.
 
What about Alaska.. We don't even know what they're up to over there
 
Nice people though.

World-class fishing. Nice place to vacation and see shit we no longer have down here because we killed everything.
 

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