2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[MirORich]

Younger people these days don't like it when older guys start talking about "back in the day" when mentioning the difference in old school vs. new school NBA.

But "back in the day", if Larry Bird would've publicly made fun of World B. Free, Lonnie Shelton would've put Larry Bird in the hospital.

Funny you should choose Larry as an example:

Bird literally said "Moses Malone eats shit" on a microphone at a championship parade after beating Malone's 76ers. But there was no twitter, IG, Snapchat, or cell phone video to record and preserve it for histories sake back then.

So methinks the issue is not that the "old school" guys weren't divas, didn't talk trash on and off the court, and weren't petty, but rather there was not A: the 24/7 news cycle and B: the 24/7 forever etched in history social media revolution(twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, IG stories, etc)

So all this BS is really not new. It's just out there now in ways it wasn't in the 80s/90s

I mean, it was only a 9 years ago that Shaq was "caught" multiple times following the Lakers losing to the Celtics in the finals asking and rapping, "Kobe, how's my ass taste" as part of his payback/taunts for their feud and for Kobe supposedly outing Shaq for all the times he cheated on his wife.

https://youtu.be/6lQW-FWMcBo

 

[Tressel33]

Yeah, like we care what David Dennis Jr thinks? Who the hell is that?

 

[MirORich]

Yeah, like we care what David Dennis Jr thinks? Who the hell is that?

Does a lot of writing for The Undefeated. Here's an interesting perspective


On his timeline he mentions things like the 3-1 Memes and "Stephen Curry is dead" Halloween cookies making the point that everyone is petty and talks trash. Draymond did it after the first 'ship.

The unique thing is that now it's LeBron vs Kyrie and not just players from two opposing teams

 

[Cassity14]

Might be true, but Kyrie is a hell of a lot more valuable to us.

He's one, the better player between the two. There's no debate there.

We're trying to win now, not 3 years from now.



How many times have we heard this excuse? KAT and Jokic aren't playing on awesome teams/franchises either.

I'm not saying he won't develop. I'm saying he's shown very little development, for me to go out on a limb and trade a player like Kyrie for him.

Not implying I wouldn't want KP at all. Just not for a player like Kyrie. I'd want more.

But I agree, the Knicks would never give us more. So to me they are pointless.

I would argue Kyrie isn't very valuable to the Cavs at all right now because of the shit he's pulled this summer. 6 months ago he was much more valuable to the Cavs, but now, his value is actually lowest to Cleveland compared to the rest of the NBA.

I don't get the "we're trying to win now" argument that is being presented by Cavs fans. There is no way in hell that the Cavs can trade Kyrie and actually improve their chances of winning a championship from what they were last season. That trade simply doesn't exist.

If a trade with New York that yields Porzingis and potentially draft pick(s) isn't enough to move Kyrie, what is?

I just don't see any way you can bring him back to the team at this point.

 

[MediumBaller]

Depends on who we get. We can win without Irving, just gotta get the right pieces. Personally, I think we can do some things to match up against GSW defensively, but that Irving kid is a dynamo. I seen him and James literally destroy GSW team by themselves. There are very few players that I can say are arguably better than James offensively, Irving was one. That will be rather hard to replace.

Say what you want about James, but he would be the closer on any other team. Probably except with KD. That is saying something about Irving.

With that said, I think he will be a here or part of a 3+ team trade before it is all said and done. Too valuable, and his ceiling is very high. I guarantee people on this board will stalk the kid after he leaves. Watching in awe or Hoping he fails, most likely the latter. I can see the threads now...

Irving shoots 34% against the Spurs.......

"Haha, so glad this ball hog is gone"

Irving goes for 45 the next day

"Crickets"

No mention of that game.

It would be funny if we didnt trade him at all, GSW does not make it and we win the chip. Then what does James and Irving do?

Whether or not we have a chance against GSW depends on who we get in a trade, but even if we just cut Kyrie and didn't trade for anyone I still think we'd make the Finals. Boston doesn't scare me at all. Kevin Love feasts against them and with him likely having a bigger role this year I expect that to continue.

 

[melecoaze]

If a trade with New York that yields Porzingis and potentially draft pick(s) isn't enough to move Kyrie, what is?

I think a trade with Phoenix that nets us Bledsoe + Josh Jackson and maybe a pick is more valuable.

If you can flip the pick to NY for Melo, that gives us the best shot to win now, even if i'm not sure it makes us better than last year. But it's better than getting only Porzingis imo.

 

[fan0283]

Funny you should choose Larry as an example:

Bird literally said "Moses Malone eats shit" on a microphone at a championship parade after beating Malone's 76ers. But there was no twitter, IG, Snapchat, or cell phone video to record and preserve it for histories sake back then.

So methinks the issue is not that the "old school" guys weren't divas, didn't talk trash on and off the court, and weren't petty, but rather there was not A: the 24/7 news cycle and B: the 24/7 forever etched in history social media revolution(twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, IG stories, etc)

So all this BS is really not new. It's just out there now in ways it wasn't in the 80s/90s

I mean, it was only a 9 years ago that Shaq was "caught" multiple times following the Lakers losing to the Celtics in the finals asking and rapping, "Kobe, how's my ass taste" as part of his payback/taunts for their feud and for Kobe supposedly outing Shaq for all the times he cheated on his wife.

https://youtu.be/6lQW-FWMcBo

A lot of older fans have a very flawed account of what actually went on back in the day. The best thing to happen to younger fans was realising all the stories they were being fed about the 'good old days' was romanticised ill-informed bullshit

 

[Tressel33]

Does a lot of writing for The Undefeated. Here's an interesting perspective


On his timeline he mentions things like the 3-1 Memes and "Stephen Curry is dead" Halloween cookies making the point that everyone is petty and talks trash. Draymond did it after the first 'ship.

The unique thing is that now it's LeBron vs Kyrie and not just players from two opposing teams

Thanks for sharing man, I truly hadn't heard of him before.

 

[Gus Zing]

Its funny how we go from this after the finals.

"Man, that guy is -- I think that some people would say that he's on the toe of -- like he's on the line of greatness. But that guy is way over. Man, he's freaking awesome. As a student of the game, it would be a disservice to myself if I didn't try to learn as much as possible while I'm playing with this guy. Every single day demanding more out of himself, demanding more out of us, the true testament of a consummate professional. And understanding how things work, not only just in the game but off the court, things that matter, just taking care of your body, understanding the magnitude of what the goal is at hand and what steps it takes in order to achieve that goal.

"You can't skip any steps," Irving said. "And that was one thing that I came to understand, because as a young player you want everything to happen right now. And Bron's been in this league for a while now, and he's seen every which way from on the court, to off the court, to dealing with some of you guys, to dealing with the whole world of just choosing a side. Whether you want to believe in him or not, he's still coming.

"And that's the type of guy that I want to be with every single time I'm going to war, because I know what to expect, and you stand your ground, too, with a leader like that," Irving said. "You don't want to take a step back. You move to the front line with a guy like that, and you want to bring your game up to another level.

"That's what I'm going to continue to do, because I know that if we continue to be with one another and keep utilizing one another, man, the sky's the limit," Irving said. "So, I've learned a lot and I will continue to, and I couldn't be more proud of that guy. He left it all out there on the floor, and to average a triple-double in the freaking Finals, man, add that to the LeBron long list that everyone keeps forgetting."

To

Kyrie wants a trade.

LeBron sends cryptic shots at Kyrie.

Kyrie saying LeBron didn't take the finals loss bad enough and is now laughing at LeBron being mocked.


Some things just happen so fast. Maybe the Warriors really did kill our will. Kyrie would rather be on a team averaging 30 all season and be up for MVP than averaging 30 in the finals.

 

[MirORich]

Thanks for sharing man, I truly hadn't heard of him before.

TBH, I'd never heard of him before today either haha. Hopped over to his twitter feed and saw some pretty opinionated but balanced stuff on the Kyrie/LeBron situation. Not really co-signing, but thought some of it way shareworthy, especially that little nugget about Bird/Malone

 

[MirORich]

Its funny how we go from this after the finals.




To

Kyrie wants a trade.

LeBron sends cryptic shots at Kyrie.

Kyrie saying LeBron didn't take the finals loss bad enough and is now laughing at LeBron being mocked.


Some things just happen so fast. Maybe the Warriors really did kill our will. Kyrie would rather be on a team averaging 30 all season and be up for MVP than averaging 30 in the finals.

The danger of players getting away from the 24/7 team setting and back to their personal team(parents, crew, lackeys etc)

 

[spydy13]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXJa05KhfCr/?hl=en

Swish making sure he doesn't get traded lol

 

[Triple-S]

I know this is awful to say, but I wish this was football.

Because a guy like Kyrie or a guy like Curry would get laid the fuck out.

god what a fucking douche crew those guys are.

 

[Balto]

-2 team trade-

 

[wremy]

I can't really wrap my head around all of the shit Kyrie has done.. I mean I had until the Cavs won the title still held a little grudge against LBJ and Kyrie was always by dude and our future in my mind... This is still all a little surreal