2017 Browns Off Season Thread

[Los216]

This line is absolutely atrocious. If you think a guy can be a top 5-8 QB and let's say the team trading him does as well. Why in the hell would they settle for only a second round pick? and why in the hell would you only be willing to offer a second round pick. (In your case a second rounder and receiving more assets back for it. SMH)

If you see any QB as a franchise changing guy, you give up whatever it takes to get him. To me, Jimmy is a top 8 QB so 12 isn't all that much of a reach for me personally.

No

 

[Los216]

I don't agree with that at all. Where he was drafted has very little to do with his value today. It's a starting point but not a determining factor or ending point.

Garoppolo has good size, arm strength, accuracy and the mental make up to be successful. He's also been taught under high quality coaches and performed well in live action, albeit limited regular season games. QB is the most important position in all of sports so a guy with all those qualities are certainly higher than his draft value from a few years ago.

It's entirely reasonable to assume the Patriots would compare Garoppolo to the list of available players in this draft and determine where that line is. Is he the 12th best player in this draft? Is he the 33rd best player in the draft? Then their job is to find a trading partner, should they desire, and get as close to that value as they can if not exceed it.

Where he was drafted has a lot to do with his value today. Do you think there would be this big media push for him if he was a 5th rounder like AJ McCarron? He's thrown 94 passes. Are you telling me those 94 passes are enough to value him as a top 15 pick? And don't use the NE pedigree as a plus for him because when you do that with Mallett or Cassell all you hear is excuses as to why JG is different. I don't wanna hear that shit. Be real about this guy. He's not worth more than a 2nd no matter how you spin it.

 

[AZ_]

This line is absolutely atrocious.

Perfect, definitely a good time to trade a first round pick for a QB with three starts then.

If you think a guy can be a top 5-8 QB and let's say the team trading him does as well. Why in the hell would they settle for only a second round pick? and why in the hell would you only be willing to offer a second round pick. (In your case a second rounder and receiving more assets back for it. SMH)

Because if trade value were determined by what the opposing team is telling other teams about his potential, everyone would be giving up a first round pick for the guy.

Valuations are based on the teams presumed value, it's based on the markets.

If you see any QB as a franchise changing guy, you give up whatever it takes to get him. To me, Jimmy is a top 8 QB so 12 isn't all that much of a reach for me personally.

No, you give up the market value instead of looking like a moron. Especially in the event he's not the great one the team who traded him told you he was.

 

[Los216]

I don't know guys, but everything about this FO says to me that they will not reach for JG. I don't think they'll offer more than a 2nd and if they offer 33 I suspect they will ask NE for a future pick as well.

 

[UDcleveland]

This whole Garoppolo as Jesus Christ is getting to be a little much for me. Why are we randomly throwing out shit like "if we value him as a top 5-8 QB" etc.? We don't... unless we're really dumb. Which of these guys do we think Garoppolo is, or is going to be, better than?

Brady
Rodgers
Ryan
Brees
Roethlisberger
Newton
Luck
Wilson
Carr
Winston

That's before even considering names like Rivers, Palmer, Mariota and Stafford. You don't give up Top 12 picks in the draft for theoretical value. And even if you did, Jimmy doesn't have enough of it to warrant this ridiculousness the media is putting out there. If it means the Pats don't get to trade rape someone, so be it.

 

[bob2the2nd]

I feel like any conversation about jimmy G is exactly like the family guy episode when peter can choose between a boat or a mystery box. The Browns could go after 2 or 3 known quarterbacks or they could go after the mystery box. Right now the mystery box is winning by a landslide.

There are folks right now willing to give up the number 12 overall pick for a player we know less about now than we did 3 years ago. But he studied under tom brady so he must be good, right? Except for all the other quarterbacks who studied under brady and werent good. But this guy has to be different. He has throw 94 passes.

 

[Phills14]

Where he was drafted has a lot to do with his value today. Do you think there would be this big media push for him if he was a 5th rounder like AJ McCarron? He's thrown 94 passes. Are you telling me those 94 passes are enough to value him as a top 15 pick? And don't use the NE pedigree as a plus for him because when you do that with Mallett or Cassell all you hear is excuses as to why JG is different. I don't wanna hear that shit. Be real about this guy. He's not worth more than a 2nd no matter how you spin it.

I think there is enough people in the NFL that have seen and evaluated JG to make an educated decision on him even outside of his 94 passes. Guys that are currently on NE's staff or have been on the staff while JG was there. I don't claim to be one of those guys.

I get the distrust of Belicheck and the appearance that he can be a snake oil salesman with trades while everything else he touches turns to gold. However; he's in a position where he's got the best QB of alltime nearing the end of his career but doesn't look like he's slowing down. He's got a talented young guy he's groomed waiting in the wings and a 3rd QB he supposedly likes. He's going to have to pay JG a lot of money eventually to sit the bench, which ties up his salary cap limiting his ability to go get 'win now' type players in Brady's last few seasons. Even if JG turns out to be great, it's probably the best strategic move to trade him so they can continue the win now window.

 

[CBBI]

I feel like any conversation about jimmy G is exactly like the family guy episode when peter can choose between a boat or a mystery box. The Browns could go after 2 or 3 known quarterbacks or they could go after the mystery box. Right now the mystery box is winning by a landslide.

There are folks right now willing to give up the number 12 overall pick for a player we know less about now than we did 3 years ago. But he studied under tom brady so he must be good, right? Except for all the other quarterbacks who studied under brady and werent good. But this guy has to be different. He has throw 94 passes.

Who are the 2-3 known quarterbacks that are available that are no questions asked more proven than Garoppolo?

Cousins is going to be franchised. Until something changes with his status, he's not an option. None of the rookie QBs qualify as "known".

So basically Tyrod?

 

[Los216]

I think there is enough people in the NFL that have seen and evaluated JG to make an educated decision on him even outside of his 94 passes. Guys that are currently on NE's staff or have been on the staff while JG was there. I don't claim to be one of those guys.

I get the distrust of Belicheck and the appearance that he can be a snake oil salesman with trades while everything else he touches turns to gold. However; he's in a position where he's got the best QB of alltime nearing the end of his career but doesn't look like he's slowing down. He's got a talented young guy he's groomed waiting in the wings and a 3rd QB he supposedly likes. He's going to have to pay JG a lot of money eventually to sit the bench, which ties up his salary cap limiting his ability to go get 'win now' type players in Brady's last few seasons. Even if JG turns out to be great, it's probably the best strategic move to trade him so they can continue the win now window.

Sure. That sounds exactly right if you're NE or a Pats fan. From a Browns perspective though....Why should we bend over because of their unique situation? We are in year two of a full on rebuild. We still need to identify our FQB but we don't have to get taken to the woodshed to get him. He could fall in our lap at 12. He could be picked in the second round. He could be signed in FA. he may already be on the roster. All of those options are available to us. No need to reach for any of them just because we have the resources.

 

[Triplethreat]

Perfect, definitely a good time to trade a first round pick for a QB with three starts then.



Because if trade value were determined by what the opposing team is telling other teams about his potential, everyone would be giving up a first round pick for the guy.

Valuations are based on the teams presumed value, it's based on the markets.




No, you give up the market value instead of looking like a moron. Especially in the event he's not the great one the team who traded him told you he was.

That's weird because there's only one way to test the value of his market.. and that's by making offers to the team with his rights. If you'd have correctly read my posts and thought about what I was saying, you would know that my ideal situation would be offering 33 and conditional selections. However, if the market value of Jimmy Garoppolo is higher, and requires the #12 pick, I personally would have no problem giving that up to get a player who I believe has franchise QB potential.

The question is, DO YOU (THE BROWNS) value Jimmy enough to trade #12 IF THE MARKET VALUE IS SET THAT HIGH.

 

[Los216]

That's weird because there's only one way to test the value of his market.. and that's by making offers to the team with his rights. If you'd have correctly read my posts and thought about what I was saying, you would know that my ideal situation would be offering 33 and conditional selections. However, if the market value of Jimmy Garoppolo is higher, and requires the #12 pick, I personally would have no problem giving that up to get a player who I believe has franchise QB potential.

The question is, DO YOU (THE BROWNS) value Jimmy enough to trade #12 IF THE MARKET VALUE IS SET THAT HIGH.

Why would the market value him at #12 specifically?

 

[AZ_]

That's weird because there's only one way to test the value of his market.. and that's by making offers to the team with his rights. If you'd have correctly read my posts and thought about what I was saying, you would know that my ideal situation would be offering 33 and conditional selections. However, if the market value of Jimmy Garoppolo is higher, and requires the #12 pick, I personally would have no problem giving that up to get a player who I believe has franchise QB potential.

The question is, DO YOU (THE BROWNS) value Jimmy enough to trade #12 IF THE MARKET VALUE IS SET THAT HIGH.

What makes his market value the 12th overall pick?

 

[Triplethreat]

Why would the market value him at #12 specifically?

Because there are other offers of future firsts or Denver/Houston first round picks? We aren't the only team interested in Mr. Garoppolo.

 

[Phills14]

Sure. That sounds exactly right if you're NE or a Pats fan. From a Browns perspective though....Why should we bend over because of their unique situation? We are in year two of a full on rebuild. We still need to identify our FQB but we don't have to get taken to the woodshed to get him. He could fall in our lap at 12. He could be picked in the second round. He could be signed in FA. he may already be on the roster. All of those options are available to us. No need to reach for any of them just because we have the resources.

That's reality though. If the Browns are convinced he's their guy going forward they do what is necessary to get him. If the Patriots really like him and value him at a certain level, they shouldn't take anything less.

 

[Soda]

That's weird because there's only one way to test the value of his market.. and that's by making offers to the team with his rights. If you'd have correctly read my posts and thought about what I was saying, you would know that my ideal situation would be offering 33 and conditional selections. However, if the market value of Jimmy Garoppolo is higher, and requires the #12 pick, I personally would have no problem giving that up to get a player who I believe has franchise QB potential.

The question is, DO YOU (THE BROWNS) value Jimmy enough to trade #12 IF THE MARKET VALUE IS SET THAT HIGH.

What can another team offer that would sky-rocket the value to #12? If you're getting to the point where you're saying Chicago's 3rd overall pick, I think you're about a round off personally.

If the Browns offer #12, it'll be because someone offered more than #33 would yield. Who is doing that?