2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[Bucketz]

I'm serious. Kevin Love is an important player for this team. Players like Cedi and Sexton can learn a lot from him. You don't just trade that for a #4, which could end up being a scrub.

It seemed like Sexton grew some quick chemistry on/off the court with Love and also with everyone else. Some of that credit should go to Love. He is consistently an all star-ish caliber player and easy to play with because of his game/personality. Sexton definitely exceeded expectations and I expect he will do the same again. Cavs need to take the best player available or trade up, not down, IMO. Keep Love, Sexton, >#5 (“best available” player). Sexton is versatile enough to play pg/sg. Keep it simple I think and let it naturally play out with as much talent as you can get. When you introduce trading down with hopes of getting multiple good players, I think there’s just a lot of risk because most teams probably have similar prospects. I get starry eyed too when I hear people throwing out trading down to get multiple shots like bolbol or Langford etc. love/sex/best possible player (who’s last name can complete the sweet pun)

 

[Ozone]

It seemed like Sexton grew some quick chemistry on/off the court with Love and also with everyone else. Some of that credit should go to Love. He is consistently an all star-ish caliber player and easy to play with because of his game/personality. Sexton definitely exceeded expectations and I expect he will do the same again. Cavs need to take the best possible player available or trade up, not down, IMO. Keep Love, Sexton, and add another player who is the “best” available. Keep it simple I think. I don’t really understand what JRs contract gets us, so I can’t speak to that aspect.

Smiths contract was signed before the CBA rule changed stopping teams from trading for any player at a cost matching their full contract when they had a smaller guarantee. He can be traded for his full contract amount and then immediately waived and paid only his partial guarantee by the team that trades for him potentially giving them the cap space needed to sign a max player or any contract they would not otherwise had been able to with out that cap clearing move.
Smiths deal is the only one of it's kind remaining besides 1 other I forget who that doesn't offer nearly enough cap savings to rival what Smiths will.
The Cavs could just waive him , but the odds are very strong they at minimum pick up a lightly protected future for taking on a bad 1-2 yr deal for Smith.
There is a good possibility the phones are ringing off the hook by teams in win now mode hunting available fa's but need the extra space.

 

[sailfish]

I think ATL only did that deal in the hopes of gathering picks together to move up higher in the draft. How many 1st rounders to they have now? Probably too many as these are all guaranteed salaries and they have to develop them all.

The Hawks now have 6 picks total- 3 1st round picks and 3 2nd round picks. There’s no way they use all of those, so they figure to be active in terms of trades.

 

[NMCav]

The Hawks now have 6 picks total- 3 1st round picks and 3 2nd round picks. There’s no way they use all of those, so they figure to be active interments of trades.

My best guess is 8 + 17 + 2nd for 5. If we deal with Atlanta. Could also maybe get them to remove the protection on our 1st next year (as in give it back and they get the 2 2nds or what ever it changes to if it doesn't convey). But I highly doubt we get 8 + 10 for 5. But they do make the most sense as a trading partner for us if we trade down from 5.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Atlanta is in the odd position of having so many picks that other teams know they will have to trade some of them.

8+17+ some other crap for 5 is a bad deal anyway, but there's no way I'd let Atlanta in particular off the hook that easily.

 

[dark2332]

My best guess is 8 + 17 + 2nd for 5. If we deal with Atlanta. Could also maybe get them to remove the protection on our 1st next year (as in give it back and they get the 2 2nds or what ever it changes to if it doesn't convey). But I highly doubt we get 8 + 10 for 5. But they do make the most sense as a trading partner for us if we trade down from 5.

Why do people continue to discuss the protections regarding our pick next year like getting it back would be some kind of positive asset?

We’re going to be bad. It’s our job to be bad. Not only are we guaranteed to keep our pick (because we could likely win up to 34-35 games and still retain it, which we won’t come close), but we also need a high pick again next year anyway.

We have 5 expiring veteran contracts next year. If any get off to a hot start, they’ll be dealt for whatever bad contract+pick we can find.

Considering our front office understands the protections on the pick, there is a 0.00% chance that we convey the pick.

As I said, even if we received the rights back, we’re early enough in the rebuild that we need another top 5-6 pick regardless. That involves being shitty, even if the young guys improve under Beilein.

Don’t even consider that as some form of payment from Atlanta. It’s already a bird in the hand.

I’m sorry for going after you on this. I’ve just seen 20 people suggest this like it’s novel, and it would be an entirely empty asset.

 

[NMCav]

Why do people continue to discuss the protections regarding our pick next year like getting it back would be some kind of positive asset?

We’re going to be bad. It’s our job to be bad. Not only are we guaranteed to keep our pick (because we could likely win up to 34-35 games and still retain it, which we won’t come close), but we also need a high pick again next year anyway.

We have 5 expiring veteran contracts next year. If any get off to a hot start, they’ll be dealt for whatever bad contract+pick we can find.

Considering our front office understands the protections on the pick, there is a 0.00% chance that we convey the pick.

As I said, even if we received the rights back, we’re early enough in the rebuild that we need another top 5-6 pick regardless. That involves being shitty, even if the young guys improve under Beilein.

Don’t even consider that as some form of payment from Atlanta. It’s already a bird in the hand.

I’m sorry for going after you on this. I’ve just seen 20 people suggest this like it’s novel, and it would be an entirely empty asset.

Always better to be safe then sorry. Injuries happen we don't know how FA will shake the rest of the conference. We don't know how big of a jump the young guys will make. KLove is coming back.

Always a surprise team like when Pacers dealt PG and everyone assumed they would be a lotto team. It's hard to predict these things before the season in some cases. We are adding KLove for the whole season, a more developed Sexton, top 5 pick and coaches who actually coach.

 

[dark2332]

Always better to be safe then sorry. Injuries happen we don't know how FA will shake the rest of the conference. We don't know how big of a jump the young guys will make. KLove is coming back.

Always a surprise team like when Pacers dealt PG and everyone assumed they would be a lotto team. It's hard to predict these things before the season in some cases. We are adding KLove for the whole season, a more developed Sexton, top 5 pick and coaches who actually coach.

And if we get anywhere close to 35 wins, we just shot oursleves right in the foot.

It would be incredibly asinine to make a run this season.

If this team does what it is supposed to, it will be developing young players.

Getting anywhere on the backs of veterans is path suicide.

If Kevin Love is playing well enough to have us overachieving at the break, he will likely be dealt or rested.

 

[Ozone]

And if we get anywhere close to 35 wins, we just shot oursleves right in the foot.

It would be incredibly asinine to make a run this season.

If this team does what it is supposed to, it will be developing young players.

Getting anywhere on the backs of veterans is path suicide.

If Kevin Love is playing well enough to have us overachieving at the break, he will likely be dealt or rested.

As much as I'd like to believe Love is cool with a full rebuild as a mentor etc and player development overruling winning which is what they need to do, I don't actually believe he is cool with tanking if he is healthy.
Maybe he will get moved at the deadline but hopefully it won't be at his demand lowering the return even further than it is with his contract and injury issues.
There is a case to be made for adding protections in a hawks trade down but it is highly unlikely to be needed and highly unlikely they would give it back or offer enough incentive for the Cavs to move down in the draft at all anyway without 8 and 10 coming in.
But if Cavs draft Culver at 5 w/ Hunter gone at 4 & Garland/Reddish go 6 and 7 Atlanta very easily would justify giving up 8 and 10 for Culver. Leaving Cavs White at 8 and one of Sekou or Little at 10.

 

[cabs]

Firmly on Culver at 5 and Okeke at 26.

 

[RichieRichPaul]

Coby white is interesting

 

[NMCav]

Coby white is interesting

I've been a fan of Colby White for a while. His lack of length is concerning if we play him at SG though.

 

[roozy]

I want Romeo Langford.

 

[BlessEm]

I want Romeo Langford.

Whoa bud, slow your role.

 

[sailfish]

I want Romeo Langford.

I can’t escape the feeling that Langford & Reddish are being undervalued and some team is going to get a bargain with them. I admire the fact that Langford played through injury at Indiana, even if their season didn’t go as some predicted or thought it would. It seems hypocritical that Garland’s sits out the year with injury and his stock goes up whereas Langford guts it out and his stock goes down. Lesson learned, I suppose...