2020 Off-Season Rumors/News

[Gson]

Not my fault you used the term 'sunk costs' incorrectly..... Feel free to google what sunk costs are..... They are already incurred and not recoverable..... A contract like Carasco's does not qualify as such......

the cost as represented on Carrasco's contract are the obligation of the Cleveland Indians. They are required to fully pay as long as he is a member of the Cleveland Indians. There is no status change to Carrasco with respect to his status as a Cleveland Indian, so the cost as represented on his contract are sunk costs..

smh..

 

[DCTribefan]

Not my fault you used the term 'sunk costs' incorrectly..... Feel free to google what sunk costs are..... They are already incurred and not recoverable..... A contract like Carasco's does not qualify as such......

Oh no; you poked the bear.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

the cost as represented on Carrasco's contract are the obligation of the Cleveland Indians. They are required to fully pay as long as he is a member of the Cleveland Indians. There is no status change to Carrasco with respect to his status as a Cleveland Indian, so the cost as represented on his contract are sunk costs..

smh..

Why do you always have to do this? Stuff like '...' after sentences(just use rolling eyes emoticons, it's basically the same thing), and of course the final sign off with 'shaking my head,' because of how am I just not getting it, right?

Gson, you are incorrect in your use of sunk cost. This is the second( or third by now, if not more) time I have pointed out what the term sunk cost is defined as:

In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Two key parts of this: 'Already occurred' and 'can not be recovered.' Carrasco's 2021 and on contract as of right now does not qualify as a sunk cost per the actual definition of a sunk cost. That is because it has not already occurred, and it can be recovered from.

Now what are you actually talking about, since it clearly is not a sunk cost per it's definition? That would be a prospective cost. A prospective cost is a cost that may be incurred or changed if an action is taken. Whether or not the cost is paid depends on some action. Prospective costs can lead to unintended loss and positive or negative results for the stakeholders.

 

[Gson]

Why do you always have to do this? Stuff like '...' after sentences(just use rolling eyes emoticons, it's basically the same thing), and of course the final sign off with 'shaking my head,' because of how am I just not getting it, right?

Gson, you are incorrect in your use of sunk cost. This is the second( or third by now, if not more) time I have pointed out what the term sunk cost is defined as:

In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Two key parts of this: 'Already occurred' and 'can not be recovered.' Carrasco's 2021 and on contract as of right now does not qualify as a sunk cost per the actual definition of a sunk cost. That is because it has not already occurred, and it can be recovered from.

Now what are you actually talking about, since it clearly is not a sunk cost per it's definition? That would be a prospective cost. A prospective cost is a cost that may be incurred or changed if an action is taken. Whether or not the cost is paid depends on some action. Prospective costs can lead to unintended loss and positive or negative results for the stakeholders.

A contractual obligation or Due and Owing.. = sunk cost... the end...

No actions are required nor can any action or activity be forced.. the cost is obliged..

 

[Criznit]

Carlos Carrasco is a sunk cost, his contract is not.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

A contractual obligation or Due and Owing.. = sunk cost... the end...

No actions are required nor can any action or activity be forced.. the cost is obliged..

'the end....'? Do you understand how childish you are being? I literally showed you the definition of sunk cost and prospective cost, and this childishness is what you come back with? I know on the old forum you never could admit to being wrong about something, but this is a whole new form of low.

 

[sportscoach]

@Gson i would say, just end this conversation and don't respond since you are just creating enemies with this opinion, its time to kind of drop it.. so just heed my advice here and on to the next topic...

So GSon, you think the Indians will pick anyone in the Rule 5? We have the three open spots and we do need a lefty in the bullpen, which is something you can find in the Rule 5.

 

[MadThinker88]

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So GSon, do you think the Indians will pick anyone in the Rule 5? We have the three open spots and we do need a lefty in the bullpen, which is something you can find in the Rule 5.

Teams used to find LOOGYs in the R5, but with the rule change before last spring training (increase in minimum batters needing to face) I don't think that trend continues..

Easier/ perhaps more practical for CLE to move one or more of San Hentges/ Logan T Allen/ Scott Moss to the bullpen to team with Kyle Nelson or Athony Gose then tie up a MLB roster spot all season for a R5 selection..

We shall see in under 20 hours...

 

[sportscoach]

Teams used to find LOOGYs in the R5, but with the rule change before last spring training (increase in minimum batters needing to face) I don't think that trend continues..

Easier/ perhaps more practical for CLE to move one or more of San Hentges/ Logan T Allen/ Scott Moss to the bullpen to team with Kyle Nelson or Athony Gose then tie up a MLB roster spot all season for a R5 selection..

We shall see in under 20 hours...

Well I would target essentially a Hentges style, one that has struggled as a starter, but has a good arm, so would make a good bullpen arm. Usually lefty starters aren't more even against both sides (not always true, but usually more often than not).

 

[Gson]

@Gson i would say, just end this conversation and don't respond since you are just creating enemies with this opinion, its time to kind of drop it.. so just heed my advice here and on to the next topic...

So GSon, you think the Indians will pick anyone in the Rule 5? We have the three open spots and we do need a lefty in the bullpen, which is something you can find in the Rule 5.

There are no enemies on a thread..

Yes.. I believe this Rule 5 draft will be the most active we've seen in years.. Enyel De Los Santos.. and the kid from the Rockiess I mentioned (I forget his name Edit: Ever Moya).. but those are the two names I would guess..

Conversely.. the minor league portion.. will be largely ignored.. imho..

 

[Gson]

Teams used to find LOOGYs in the R5, but with the rule change before last spring training (increase in minimum batters needing to face) I don't think that trend continues..

Easier/ perhaps more practical for CLE to move one or more of San Hentges/ Logan T Allen/ Scott Moss to the bullpen to team with Kyle Nelson or Athony Gose then tie up a MLB roster spot all season for a R5 selection..

We shall see in under 20 hours...

Three spots... for the Indians.. that's a bunch !.. I certainly hope Oviedo stays.. but after the few outings he's had.. IDK about keeping him.. but. one door closes.. another comes open.. You're right..20 or so hours...

 

[MadThinker88]

Three spots... for the Indians.. that's a bunch !.. I certainly hope Oviedo stays.. but after the few outings he's had.. IDK about keeping him.. but. one door closes.. another comes open.. You're right..20 or so hours...

Just putting this out there: the Tribe could always go the route taken by the Braves (years ago) & draft its own player...

 

[Gson]

Just putting this out there: the Tribe could always go the route taken by the Braves (years ago) & draft its own player...

Taking Oviedo?

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Santana signs with the Royals for two years and $17.9 million. That's a lot more than I expected but he's hit something like .327 in that ballpark for his career. Anyway, I'm glad he got a nice contract in times like these and look forward to seeing him play the Indians (or whatever the new name will be) 38 times over the next two years.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I'll be shocked if Carrasco isn't traded. From a column in letsgotribe.com:

It makes raw, logical sense to trade Carrasco. He’s very good, but he’s obviously only going to get worse. Even though he’s bounced back from leukemia, he’s still headed into his age-34 season. He’s also only going to be making a combined $26 million over the next two years, or the equivalent of four months of Gerrit Cole. This is a great deal for a pitcher that would at the very worst be an incredible number three in a playoff caliber rotation. Cleveland has the ability to replace him, or near enough, with the explosion of Shane Bieber and Zach Plesac establishing himself as a front-line starter. The haul Carrasco would bring back might not be to the level that Francisco Lindor might pull, or what Mookie Betts did a year ago, but pitching is expensive, and people will pony up for a topflight hurler on a discount....


So yeah, it makes sense to trade him. Cleveland as an organization needs to maintain the churn, to keep younger and cheaper and get more athletic to keep in the hunt for a playoff spot. The game is always running away from them, and sentimentality doesn’t help them keep up with the big boys. It doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it though. The inevitable Lindor deal is going to stink, but somehow, I feel like if and when they move Carrasco, that’s going to feel like another little piece got lopped off.

Maintain the churn and there's no place for sentimentality, especially when you just lost tens of millions of dollars and next year looks like more of the same only maybe to a lesser extent.

We watched Kluber and Bauer and Clevinger get traded while Santana and Kipnis and Brantley were allowed to walk. No reason to think CC will not follow them out of town.

Nobody wants to trade Carlos Carrasco, even if it does make sense

He’s more than likely on the move this winter. Logic and heart, once again, are at odds.

www.letsgotribe.com