2023-2024 Cleveland Guardians Offseason Thread

[Criznit]

getting back to the subject of how the Guardians keep DDLS, it comes down to what do the DBax need to improve a world series participating club???

The changes made by their GM, Mike Hazen, are "said" to addresss ALL their needs: "...Hazen went out and acquired third baseman Eugenio Suárez, outfielder/DH Joc Pederson, left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez and outfielder Randal Grichuk..." So a corner IF'er with pop, two out fielders and, perhaps, the best SP signed in the offseason from the Guardians' perspective.. That is..the Guardians won't get many chances to face E-Rod [yippee].. Suarez would have had DDLS as his possible early season back up.. The need still exists.. The guys the DBax have in their system (Lawler, Alexander, others) just aren't ready or won't be.. There's no reason to believe DDLS would have been considered ready, as well.. The other two guys play in spots the Guardians can offer very little..

So, we'll have to go on the theory that you can never have enough pitching and catching.. Would you consider Lavastida or David Fry as a possible trade candidate for keeping DDLS?.. imho.. it's a clear overpay.. but.. how much does the CleFO really like DDLS??

Thoughts?

Diamondbacks reject those 1 for 1 deals. Well I would if I am them.

DDLS has premium value at the moment and that doesn't help us at all.

If I am the Dbacks, I'm thinking Aleman, Tena, Hankins, Frias, etc...

 

[sportscoach]

Diamondbacks reject those 1 for 1 deals. Well I would if I am them.

DDLS has premium value at the moment and that doesn't help us at all.

If I am the Dbacks, I'm thinking Aleman, Tena, Hankins, Frias, etc...

He's a top 15 prospect in Cleveland's system and considered a top 15 area in the Dbacks system as well... He's not going to be that cheap to keep... Fry or Lavastida wouldn't even come close to getting him. I just don't know what the DBacks would want at the end of the day.

I'd love a deal like OF Fox and SS Tena for DDLS and OF Barrosa, but that wouldn't likely work in real life. They are definitely gonna want pitching back and pitching that isn't too far MLB ready if not pitching as MLB level.

Our pitching prospect depth isn't deep in the 45 FV range which is what DDLS is listed as... It's Cantillo, Messick and Walters via MLB.com's list (though I think Campbell is at least a 50 personally and they have him as a 40)...

Can we get him for a Nikhazy, Burns, Hunter?

Some people have also speculated a large sum of an international bonus money 500k or so... I'd do that in a heart beat in all honesty...

 

[Gson]

or... the Guardians can keep him for nothing more than the $ 100K waiver fee... which is what they're doing... now..

 

[BMAN]

We’re not going anywhere this season, just keep the guy. We’re lacking in the right handed power department.

 

[Holden beach]

Would the Diamondbacks accept the loser of the Arias vs Rocchio spring training shortstop battle for DDLS?

Seems like a good way to "kill two birds with one stone".

It's not going to be cheap.

The best case scenario is DDLS lights up spring training, and puts on a show to the point we are in a better negotiating situation with Arizona to obtain his full rights without keeping him on the 26 man roster.
"Hey Arizona, it'd be a shame if the A's decided to put in a claim on DDLS if he doesn't make the Guardians opening day roster. Maybe we can make a deal?"

Or, we really, really like him and put up with 90 days on the 26 man roster before going on the injured list.

From the MLB.com website
Not every club will make a selection, but those that do pick a player must pay $100,000 to the club from which said player was selected. Rule 5 Draft picks are assigned directly to the drafting club's 26-man roster and must be placed on outright waivers in order to be removed from the 26-man roster in the subsequent season. Should the player clear waivers, he must be offered back to his previous team for $50,000 and can be outrighted to the Minors only if his original club does not wish to reacquire him. A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign.

Clubs may trade a player selected in the Rule 5 Draft, but the same restrictions apply to the player's new organization. However, a club may also work out a trade with the Rule 5 pick's original club to acquire his full rights, thereby allowing him to be optioned to the Minors under traditional circumstances.

 

[petes999]

I know we usually pick towards back of round 1(yet Comp A was inc in the WAR) but if we were more like Houston, Phillies or Dodgers who also pick that late. And, for all the losing, KC is only slightly ahead

 

[AZ_]

Would the Diamondbacks accept the loser of the Arias vs Rocchio spring training shortstop battle for DDLS?

Seems like a good way to "kill two birds with one stone".

It's not going to be cheap.

The best case scenario is DDLS lights up spring training, and puts on a show to the point we are in a better negotiating situation with Arizona to obtain his full rights without keeping him on the 26 man roster.
"Hey Arizona, it'd be a shame if the A's decided to put in a claim on DDLS if he doesn't make the Guardians opening day roster. Maybe we can make a deal?"

Or, we really, really like him and put up with 90 days on the 26 man roster before going on the injured list.

From the MLB.com website
Not every club will make a selection, but those that do pick a player must pay $100,000 to the club from which said player was selected. Rule 5 Draft picks are assigned directly to the drafting club's 26-man roster and must be placed on outright waivers in order to be removed from the 26-man roster in the subsequent season. Should the player clear waivers, he must be offered back to his previous team for $50,000 and can be outrighted to the Minors only if his original club does not wish to reacquire him. A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign.

Clubs may trade a player selected in the Rule 5 Draft, but the same restrictions apply to the player's new organization. However, a club may also work out a trade with the Rule 5 pick's original club to acquire his full rights, thereby allowing him to be optioned to the Minors under traditional circumstances.

That is not something that should be on the table here.

The Guardians hold all the leverage by being able to play roster merry-go-round to keep this guy up all season long.

The DBacks should accept a lower to mid-tier prospect but that is far too great a price to pay.

 

[sportscoach]

That is not something that should be on the table here.

The Guardians hold all the leverage by being able to play roster merry-go-round to keep this guy up all season long.

The DBacks should accept a lower to mid-tier prospect but that is far too great a price to pay.

I feel like if we can get him for someone like Burns you do it! I don't see why he wouldn't be worth a mid-tier or lower prospect from an organizational strength...

 

[N7RobBob]

I know we usually pick towards back of round 1(yet Comp A was inc in the WAR) but if we were more like Houston, Phillies or Dodgers who also pick that late. And, for all the losing, KC is only slightly ahead

Houston bottomed out hard to get their core. Bregman was the #2 pick and Tucker was #5 in the same year.

Philadelphia had Aaron Nola 7th, Alec Bohm 3rd, and also had two other top 10 picks.

Dodgers have picked later but most of their stars haven't been homegrown 1st rounders. Walker Buehler had one exceptional year and injured since. Lux has been a mixed bag.

Going back 10 years is fun, but hasn't our draft strategy changed over the past few seasons? If anything I think it shows the impact of hitting on top 10 picks. Clint Frazier (5), Lindor (8), Drew Pomeranz (5), and Jeremy Sowers (6) have been our top 10 picks over the last 20 years. Lindor was a hit, utilized Frazier to get key piece in Miller. Sowers and Pomeranz were lackluster.

 

[Criznit]

Houston bottomed out hard to get their core. Bregman was the #2 pick and Tucker was #5 in the same year.

Philadelphia had Aaron Nola 7th, Alec Bohm 3rd, and also had two other top 10 picks.

Dodgers have picked later but most of their stars haven't been homegrown 1st rounders. Walker Buehler had one exceptional year and injured since. Lux has been a mixed bag.

Going back 10 years is fun, but hasn't our draft strategy changed over the past few seasons? If anything I think it shows the impact of hitting on top 10 picks. Clint Frazier (5), Lindor (8), Drew Pomeranz (5), and Jeremy Sowers (6) have been our top 10 picks over the last 20 years. Lindor was a hit, utilized Frazier to get key piece in Miller. Sowers and Pomeranz were lackluster.

Not to nitpick, but Pomeranz has had some success in MLB, currently he has amassed 12.4 bWAR with an All-Star selection in 2016. Still kicking around at age 35...

Random side note, I was ROASTED back in the day when San Diego traded him to the Red Sox for uber-prospect pitcher Anderson Espinoza. I liked the deal for the Red Sox. Espinoza ended up crashing out a bit, he did pitch a smidge in the majors in 2022... He walks people like crazy, but Espinoza could end up in the majors again. Injuries are a bitch.

 

[Kiddo]

That is not something that should be on the table here.

The Guardians hold all the leverage by being able to play roster merry-go-round to keep this guy up all season long.

The DBacks should accept a lower to mid-tier prospect but that is far too great a price to pay.

Exactly, any player we send them in a trade better not be a top 20, 25 prospect for us. We can literally just hide him for a season on the roster and he's ours long term.

 

[AZ_]

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