#6: Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU

[MalTalm]

I hate the pick, personally. Doesn't appear to have many defined skills, or counter moves. Just an athlete trying to play football. Longterm developmental project before he'll have any effectiveness in NFL games. Much like Wimbley, but not as good a football player. Mingo is a really great athlete, though .. I just don't see where it's ever transcended to actual performance on the field. He's one of those guys that's always running around near the play, but never making the play.

I'm torn, but I will say he actually looked more comfortable rushing when he was standing up rather than when he had a hand in the dirt. It didn't happen too often, but that's likely how he'll be used on the edge in Cleveland. I'm interested to see if we drop him into coverage or ask him to hold a gap, or if he'll solely be used as a sack specialist early on.

 

[Wine and Gold]

Analytics. Someone explain, please. Do they mean how drill times relate to on-field play? Or seemingly like Metric stats?

Analytics has been a huge success in baseball. It's been gaining steam in basketball, as we've seen with Grant's drafts of late, and it will continue to become more and more a factor as the systems and evaluation processes continue to become more streamlined and effective based on past results being factored in. In football, it's still in it's infancy stages ...lagging behind basketball .. I've been a Browns fan my whole life, and I have very little faith in Lombardi.

 

[Soda]

By the way, leave it to Grossi to mock Mingo to the Browns only to come in today and say they should've traded with St. Louis and gotten Jarvis Jones and a 2nd. :chuckles:

What a joke.

 

[Wine and Gold]

I'm torn, but I will say he actually looked more comfortable rushing when he was standing up rather than when he had a hand in the dirt. It didn't happen too often, but that's likely how he'll be used on the edge in Cleveland. I'm interested to see if we drop him into coverage or ask him to hold a gap, or if he'll solely be used as a sack specialist early on.

The system we have is a fit for him.. that's a major plus. I just see him being a longterm developmental project in getting him to reach the potential his great athleticism offers. He's got lots of skill related issues that will need to be addressed. Much "coaching up" will need to be applied to this particular player. He's far from NFL ready.

 

[Soda]

The system we have is a fit for him.. that's a major plus. I just see him being a longterm developmental project in getting him to reach the potential his great athleticism offers. He's got lots of skill related issues that will need to be addressed. Much "coaching up" will need to be applied to this particular player. He's far from NFL ready.

I wouldn't go that far.. What I like about the fit is that he doesn't need to step in and be a cornerstone. He can be a two-down player until he gets comfortable with his role. As long as Kruger is doing his job, Mingo will have that time to get acclimated. I also like the character around him and that he'll be able to gain knowledge from guys like Groves, Kruger and D'Qwell.

 

[Soar]

I've seen the Browns take so many types of players the past 12-13 years and many of the results have been poor. If the team wants to take a new age approach, then by all means I will support it.

 

[AZ_]

I hate the pick, personally. Doesn't appear to have many defined skills, or counter moves. Just an athlete trying to play football. Longterm developmental project before he'll have any effectiveness in NFL games. Much like Wimbley, but not as good a football player. Mingo is a really great athlete, though .. I just don't see where it's ever transcended to actual performance on the field. He's one of those guys that's always running around near the play, but never making the play.

There is always that concern when we're talking about the next generation pass rush specialist. In the past, we see the guys who lead the league in butt slaps and high fives but their production doesn't match the athletic ability to make them a "can't miss pick."

Now, teams see the freakish athleticism and inability to finish plays and know they can work with it to turn that freak into a complete player. Production can be flawed through defensive scheme (Mingo played a ton of contain) or through injury (Aldon Smith). But talent is talent and now more than ever teams have confidence they could turn these guys into complete players combined with the freakish athleticism they already possess.

Clay Matthews (5.5 sacks at USC)
Aldon Smith (14 sacks at Mizzou)
Jason Pierre-Paul (6.5 sacks at USF)

 

[kriegs]

Mingo has a lot of learning to do in order to become elite at the NFL level. I think the fact we have Ray Horton on the staff made it a lot easier on Lombardi to get behind. Fans should feel the same way. The guy has the tools to be our Aldon Smith....

 

[WildThing]

Re: #6: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, DE/LSU

That annoyed me too. We didn't get Milliner, oh noes, we're not going to have anyone playing CB2. There are more rounds than just hte first one.

Yeah. Honestly, if the biggest concern of our 1st round pick is that it wasn't another position then I'm cool with that. We'll definitely find a S and CB. Last I checked, Horton's defense is going to be similar to the Steelers. Historically, they usually didn't have two elite CBs and rather one elite with a bunch of good to average ones.

Let's say we drafted Milliner and he's a stud. Years down the road, we have to pay both Joe AND Milliner and risk losing our D-line or linebackers. I'd rather keep our great players than risk losing critical parts of the team. You can't put all your money in one position, I'd rather spread it out and it looks like the Browns are doing that.

 

[DCunleaded]

I'm not a fan of the Mingo pick at #6, but I'm sure I'll get around to liking it. Here's my logic, which probably isn't anything different than the previous seven pages on this thread:
-I didn't have him as the 6th best player (IIRC he was in the 10-15 range for me; not too far off, though)
-I am not a fan of drafting someone this high, then having them learn a new position.
-Criticisms of Mingo not being motivated for every game, only the 'big ones'
-He's a bit slight

If it were just 1-2 of the above factors, then I could probably look past them; however, that is a fairly decent list of reddish flags to put on someone getting selected with the 6th overall pick in the NFL draft.

That said, I will root for his Barky ass to destroy QBs until I'm blue in the face....

"A Mingo ate my QB!"

 

[Surge]

Re: #6: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, DE/LSU

Let's say we drafted Milliner and he's a stud. Years down the road, we have to pay both Joe AND Milliner and risk losing our D-line or linebackers. I'd rather keep our great players than risk losing critical parts of the team.

I think "losing all our great players" shouldn't be something our team should be too concerned with until, you know, we have several great players.

If they love the kid, fine. If he's a Brown, he's my guy. But this logic annoys me at this point in our teams build.

I'm just happy we aren't printing up Geno Smith jersey's this morning.

 

[The Oi]

For what it's worth, Keke sounds like a pretty intelligent guy in interviews.

 

[MRMsix6]

For what it's worth, Keke sounds like a pretty intelligent guy in interviews.

and handsome, to boot

 

[DJTJ]

For what it's worth, Keke sounds like a pretty intelligent guy in interviews.

Felt the same way. Very well spoken.

Any guesses on a number? 51, 95, and 96 are the only free numbers he can wear.

 

[Phills14]

Montgomery just skated along, which is a testament to Mingo's work ethic. Not that Montgomery isn't an animal naturally, but those kind of guys can drag fellow guys down in the locker room. We'll see how he fits in the Browns' locker room. Hopefully he's a leader type.

LOL Tharold Simon was arrested on draft day. Surprisingly he made this list.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/r...-lsu-cb-tharold-simon-arrested-on-draft-night

Former LSU cornerback Tharold Simon was arrested Thursday night for allegedly intimidating a police officer in his hometown of Eunice, La., according to KATC.com. Eunice city officials planned to proclaim Friday as “Tharold Simon Day” during a ceremony, and that will go on as planned according to Mayor Rusty Moody.

A projected mid-to-late round pick, Simon allegedly failed to move his car upon the request of a police officer. According to police records, he told the officer, “I own Eunice” and “I'm gonna buy these projects, and you are gonna be mine.” Simon then proceeded to leave, spinning his wheels and turning up his radio. He was charged with public intimidation, resisting an officer and unnecessary noise violation.

According to the report, Simon also told the officer that “the mayor was on his side” and that the officer would be fired if he wrote the ticket. Simon was released on bond.

Simon is attempting to follow in the footsteps of recent LSU cornerbacks Patrick Peterson and Morris Claiborne, leaving school early for an early NFL draft pick. He wasn't selected in Thursday's first round and isn't expected to be taken Friday night in the second or third rounds. Simon has imposing size at 6-foot-2 and 202 pounds but lacks ideal speed or refinement for the position, lacking the natural fluidity or feet to be consistent in man coverage.

Simon is considered an intriguing mid-to-late round option, ideally suited for a cover-2 scheme. But after Thursday's incident, he will be lucky to hear his name called at all this weekend in the 2013 NFL Draft.