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OK, haven't posted for a week or so due to a slow recovery from a minor surgery I had ....but...I wanted to contribute what I've seen from a coach's viewpoint ...seeing as though I have been coaching the game at the high school and college level now for close to 18 years.

We see loads of what is being termed 'lack of energy' on defense during this streatch of the season ....the more appropriate term is that they are playing with 'low confidence', and in a 'state of confusion'. The onlty player I can honestly say that really never likes to lay it out defensively is Damon Jones, and it isn't just a recent lapse ....his entire career he's been a guy that doesn't give a sh*t about playing any form of defense. The only contribution he will ever make to this team will be on the offensive end, so get used to it and accept it ...it's his modus operendi. Alwaysa has been always will. No other way to skin that cat.

Other than that,.,.this is where I see the players ....Ilgauskas- he's willing to play the defensive game and give what he can give ....but his handcuffed by very slow feet, and a power forward in Drew Gooden who doesn't look like he'll ever have the ability mentally to learn any defensive system. He makes learning his defenisive responsibilities on the court look like it must be riocket science to him ...he just can't seem to ever grasp where he is supposed to be given the situation ...he's incapable of helping Z out, and Z needs help. So, they shouldn't ever be on the court together for any extyended periods of time, because they can be picked apart, and have been picked apart very very easily on any form of pick and roll that relies on them having any form of cohesion. It just doesn't work, and it's why Drew Gooden or Z need to be paired with defensive minded individuals or the team will continue to suffer. I see little hope that Drew will ever magically 'get it' ...he's slow ...basically.

Eric Snow knows what to do and how to do it ....he's a consummate pro in his understanding of the game. He's limited by a poor outside shot ...but, as far as playoff ready type players ...he's one of the few that has a game that translates to a winning style of basketball ...even though he is limited offensively and doesn't have the lateral quuickness he once possesed.

Larry Hughes is in a confidence rut, but will get it back. He knows how to play the game but right now he's just not right on his game and his confidence is low .....but I have alot of confodence in what he can do, on a team that hopefully will eventually learn how to play winning basketball.

Now on to what will be the focus of what I think our problem is ...and that is Lebron James. And ....it's not because he is our worst performer ....it's because he's by far our best ...and our leader. As he goes and plays is how our team will go and play basically. Right now he doesn't have a game that translates to winning basketball ....at this point in his career I liken what he does on the court to what Pete Maravich did in his career. He has all the intangibles that add up to great personal success, and very limited team success. He doesn't do as advertised, and that is ..make the team better by doing the little things that ,ake a team better. If and when he ever realizes that winning basketball starts and ends with consistent defensive energy, that will be the moment that this team follows his lead and also plays with that same devotion and passion for playing the game. Because with anything in a team game ...what becomes contagious with your leader becomes contagious throughout the team. Lebron doesn't enjoy laying it out on defense with strong and passionate energy. He can do it ...and he has natural game slarts, but he only brings defensive energy to the court it seems mid to late 4th qtr. Other than that he's on cruise control on the defensive end ...going through the motions but not playing with a defensive fervor. If the team sees him laying it out with the energy say ...Drew Gooden plays with ...they will ikely follow suit. The problem with Drew is he plays hard, but plays dumb as a board ...

But, don't think the additions of Newble and Varajao will be a hige lift or major change in the course of events ..they will help, but not to the degreee needed to make a huge impact. The huge impact needed will have to come with Lebron James ...and when he either comes to the reralization that he wants to be a Pete Maravich or Wilt Chamberlain of the game, that has great individual success but fails at bring a winning style basketball to his team ...or be a Michael Jordan/ Bill Russell type player that brings strong team effort on the defensivee end that leads to winning basketball come playoff time .....he's gotta learn to play the game the winning way ....and he hasn't learned that yet .....it's gotta sink into his skull at some point or he'll never realize his potential as a team player.....
 
The only one that is capable of taming the beast... Mike Brown, with the backing of the team.... Can he do it?
 
Can someone copy Wine and Gold's post and frame it. Best post on this forum to date.
 
REP POINTS AND A FIVE STAR RATING FROM ME....That was beautifully put... And it was all put into a nut shell...

Basically, the team doesn't have a leader...

The leader would not allow himself to get blown by defensively....

The leader would ride Drew's ass to no end....

The leader would not allow Damon to do what he does out there...
 
when the leader of your team scores 52 points...and you loose...there is obviously a problem, why do you think lebron wants Artest? sure he is a headcase but he is hardworking and knows how to the job done and isnt lazy on defense..
 
Excellent, excellent post Coach.

It will be interesting to see what Newble can do defensively on his own before Varejao comes back. Probably not much- as many keep saying, it has to start from the top- LBJ. I think Varejao could be the catalyst that convinces Lebron to put more of his energy into defense. *If* that happens we have latent defensive talent that will start to show itself (Hughes, mostly)

Newble played for Brown at SA right? Wouldn't it be great if Ira has 100% mastery of this "2.9 second Defense" Brown is teaching?
 
does nobody actually watch LeBron's effort on defense besides me? He worked his butt off last night against Carmelo - holding him to 8-23 shooting.
 
LJ4MVP said:
does nobody actually watch LeBron's effort on defense besides me? He worked his butt off last night against Carmelo - holding him to 8-23 shooting.

I noticed that as well. And it's not by any means, the only fine defensive night James has had this season. But I sense often times, the overwhelmingly cynical outlook Cavs' fans tend to have overstates the issue. It's very odd when die-hard fans of other teams (who have NBA League Pass and are as hardcore of basketball junkies as we are) come up and say "If I listened to Cleveland fans, I'd think James is the worst defender in the league. But he's okay."
 
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West Remy said:
I noticed that as well. And it's not by any means, the only fine defensive night James has had this season. But I sense often times, the overwhelmingly cynical outlook Cavs' fans tend to have overstates the issue. It's very odd when die-hard fans of other teams (who have NBA League Pass and are as hardcore of basketball junkies as we are) come up and say "If I listened to Cleveland fans, I'd think James is the worst defender in the league. But he's okay."

Thing is he's been improving quite a bit, increasing his intensity on that end and actually paying attention on defense. In his first two years, he was just as lazy and absent minded as Gooden, getting burnt by the likes of Hedo Turkoglu.
 
Great post Wine and Gold. Couldn't agree more.

I love Lebron and know how lucky the Cavs are to have him but until he really gets it than this team won't take a step to the next level. He's a phenominal offensive player but he's basically playing only one end of the floor now. I've been watching him on D more closely in recent games and it's sad how much he stands around, doesn't rotate and makes no attempt to block out for rebounds.
LeBron doesn't have to become a shutdown defender it's that the effort has to pick up. As the leader of this team he can't be a one dimensional player. The talent and athleticism is there so there's no excuse why improvement can't be made. Another factor might be that he needs to have his minutes cut. He can't keep continuing to play 45 night. Is it because of the heavy minutes that he might be using the defensive end to rest?

The Cavs really don't have many talented individual defenders on the roster. Same thing with players who have good quickness. I don't think right now that Brown has the players to play the rotating, switching type of defensive system he is trying to play. There should be some adjustments in it that would suit the personnel he has.

Hughes is a solid defender but not the great defensive player he was sold as. It might be case where a stat like steals gets confused with great ability on D.
 
LJ4MVP said:
does nobody actually watch LeBron's effort on defense besides me? He worked his butt off last night against Carmelo - holding him to 8-23 shooting.
You kill me bro'

You're the biggest LeBron homer i've ever seen (but i've noticed alot of people have said that to you before)... You argued it to no end on the "Kobe 2 years in, not in same boat as LbJ thread" on that other site :chuckles:

Yes, it is possible for him not to be perfect... It's okay.
 
just try focusing on his defense next game - I bet you'll see he's doing more than you and others are giving him credit for. Is he on Kobe's level defensively? not at all. But he's not nearly as bad anymore as people think. It's the same thing with his shooting. His rookie year, his outside shot was awful. He improved it a lot last year, he's improved it even more this year. Yet there are still people who think he can't shoot - people that don't watch the cavs regularly and even some cavs fans who watch them all the time.

Now with his defense, it was awful the last two years. Silas never cared, so LeBron coasted defensively. We missed the playoffs again, he worked on his lateral movement all offseason to get better defensively and now we have a coach who puts all of the emphasis on defense. He's playing much better on that end of the court and people are still talking about his defensive abilities last year. It's taken over a month on that other board to get some people to acknowledge that his defense has improved. And I come over here and cavs fans are still missing it.

Is it being a homer to point out things others aren't seeing if the things are actually happening?

btw: here's an interesting LeBron stat that I wouldn't dare post on that other board. Take a look at this statline

30.1 ppg, .497 shooting, .327 from 3, 6.2 rebounds, 5.3 assists

Those are LeBron's stats right? Wrong, those are Jordan's career averages. LeBron's stats right now are

30.5 ppg, .494 shooting, .347 from 3, 6.0 rebounds, 5.1 assists.
 
LJ4MVP said:
just try focusing on his defense next game - I bet you'll see he's doing more than you and others are giving him credit for. Is he on Kobe's level defensively? not at all. But he's not nearly as bad anymore as people think. It's the same thing with his shooting. His rookie year, his outside shot was awful. He improved it a lot last year, he's improved it even more this year. Yet there are still people who think he can't shoot - people that don't watch the cavs regularly and even some cavs fans who watch them all the time.

Now with his defense, it was awful the last two years. Silas never cared, so LeBron coasted defensively. We missed the playoffs again, he worked on his lateral movement all offseason to get better defensively and now we have a coach who puts all of the emphasis on defense. He's playing much better on that end of the court and people are still talking about his defensive abilities last year. It's taken over a month on that other board to get some people to acknowledge that his defense has improved. And I come over here and cavs fans are still missing it.

Is it being a homer to point out things others aren't seeing if the things are actually happening?

btw: here's an interesting LeBron stat that I wouldn't dare post on that other board. Take a look at Lebron's stats this year and compare them to Jordan's career averages. I think you'll be surprised just how close he is to having identical numbers except in 3 point shooting, where he's doing significantly better.
I've watched his defense the whole season... I haven't seen a significant inprovement... Maybe from POOR TO BELOW AVERAGE... But that is not what i'm looking for in terms of improvment...

The part that is sad is, the guy doesn't seem to put much effort into it... I think last night he tried a little harder due to who it was (His Boy)

But not only does he get lost out there, his weakside, rotations and lateral quickness just is not there...

Jordan numbers are cute and all. But, Jordan made sure his man didn't get in the paint and torch the team any given night... He won defensive player of the year in his 4th year (I don't see LeBron making the strides from now to next season to even get considerations for that) or even make an all defensive team.. A team Mike was a staple on for years...

I think if you want to compare right now... Compare him to Nique... ALL OFFENSE, NOT MUCH DEFENSE...

NIQUE just didn't average the 6 assist a night... But he got the Points/Boards and highlight dunks :rolleyes: But he never made an all defensive team or won a DOPY...Oh yeah, and he never won a ring... (But he did get to a conference finals or two)

Now, I don't think their games are similar, but the numbers are, especially if we are going to compare offensive stats.. digits...
 
LeBron also held Pierce under his season average FG%. And did a solid job against carter the only quarter he guarded him that game. I thought it was a great sign that LeBron took the assignment against Carmelo last night - Carmelo didn't guard LeBron all night - he was on snow and damon jones instead.

The point is that LeBron is only 20, yet is getting jordan like offensive productivity while improving his defense. Jordan had 3 years of dean smith to get him ready for the NBA - this year is the first time any coach even cared of LeBron played defense. Give it some time and he'll elevate his defense.
 
Okay.... I'm done with it...

You see things a little differently then I and a whole bunch of other people..
 

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