Amar'e Safari 2015 Reboot - Fooled Thrice

[el_capitan]

We keep Hickson According to the AP. Av says He feels lIke He Is on the Moon. Yet Gibson Is touching his J-wad for some ZZZZZZZZZZ. As said best by Powe all Is green with Darnell Jackson, To hard to Telfair with the 30th Pick.

I think it's best to let Storm Sutherland take care of the crazy talking here on RCF.

 

[Andrew]

Now that the Cleveland Cavaliers have made their big trade, all eyes turn to Phoenix to see what the Suns will do with Amare Stoudemire.

Two sources told ESPN.com that the Suns called the Cavs this afternoon and told them they had decided against sending Amare to Cleveland. A few hours later, the Cavs had completed a deal for Antawn Jamison.

That leaves the Miami Heat as the only known suitor for Amare. One source close to the process disputed what a Suns source told me earlier today about Miami's reluctance to give up draft picks for Amare. The Heat own the Raptors' and their own first-round draft picks this year.

"The Heat have offered a pick," the source said. "I think this comes down to, will they offer their second first-rounder, as well?"

The question is, will the Heat offer more now they know their biggest competitor for Amare is out of the picture? Remember, the Heat can sign him straight up as a free agent this summer without giving up either pick.

If the Suns balk at making a deal with Miami, chances are they're keeping Amare. The only other potential suitor may be the Chicago Bulls. A source said the Bulls expressed interest in Amare earlier in the week, but they've been quiet on the Amare front since then.

If the Suns can't make a trade before Thursday's deadline, expect Amare to be unhappy.

"He's going to be upset," one source familiar with the process told ESPN.com. "He's been reading his name in the headlines every day. He's been wooed by Dwyane Wade and LeBron. It's time to move on."

 

[Cazaliers]

We really need some threads to merge with this one...still 45 pages short of the big 1 zero zero zero...

 

[marlon]

Amare Stoudemire said he had a talk with Suns owner Robert Sarver after Wednesday's game and said he won't be traded.
"I think I'm pretty much safe," Stoudemire said. "I feel good. But either way I was going to feel all right." This is far from a sure thing as Amare could still end up in Miami, but we'd make it a long shot at this point. Owners should be happy as Stoudemire's best numbers will come in Phoenix's up-tempo style.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35454877/ns/sports-player_news/

 

[Photon]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35454877/ns/sports-player_news/

He will go Boozer on them...

 

[BeeBallin1524]

Amare did have a pretty good game last night, 30 pts, 14 rebs, and 3 blks. Except a little more pressure on the Suns to get something done.

 

[Dirk Gently]

I almost feel bad for Phoenix. It looks like no deal will be done for Amare now. Miami has no need to bid against themselves for Amare. They can just wait until the off season now and get him for nothing, or they can wait and make a run at someone else who might be available (Chris Bosh?).

I understand Phoenix needs to be able to sell the move to their fans. And if Amare leaves via FA, then it's just seen as him abandoning the team rather than the team messing up (similar to Boozer leaving Cleveland). It's a lose lose situation, but by keeping Amare and hoping to re-sign him, it at least looks like they tried. If they give up Amare for Hickson, and Hickson doesn't become an instant all-star, the fans would riot. The fans don't care that their owner is losing money on his other ventures. They want their favorite team to be as competitive as possible. In the long run, the Hickson deal made the most sense for the franchise. But most Phoenix fans wouldn't see it that way. It's getting something for Amare rather than nothing in the summer, and something is always better than nothing in the long run. I understand why Phoenix did what they did, and I almost feel bad for them. But I feel worse for Amare, and for my hopes of an instant win long term dynasty (which is still possible with LeBron). Phoenix played the short term game rather than the long term game, and in the end, only they will lose.

Plus we got Jameson!!!

 

[johnnycake44022]

I almost feel bad for Phoenix. It looks like no deal will be done for Amare now. Miami has no need to bid against themselves for Amare. They can just wait until the off season now and get him for nothing, or they can wait and make a run at someone else who might be available (Chris Bosh?).

I understand Phoenix needs to be able to sell the move to their fans. And if Amare leaves via FA, then it's just seen as him abandoning the team rather than the team messing up (similar to Boozer leaving Cleveland). It's a lose lose situation, but by keeping Amare and hoping to re-sign him, it at least looks like they tried. If they give up Amare for Hickson, and Hickson doesn't become an instant all-star, the fans would riot. The fans don't care that their owner is losing money on his other ventures. They want their favorite team to be as competitive as possible. In the long run, the Hickson deal made the most sense for the franchise. But most Phoenix fans wouldn't see it that way. It's getting something for Amare rather than nothing in the summer, and something is always better than nothing in the long run. I understand why Phoenix did what they did, and I almost feel bad for them. But I feel worse for Amare, and for my hopes of an instant win long term dynasty (which is still possible with LeBron). Phoenix played the short term game rather than the long term game, and in the end, only they will lose.

Plus we got Jameson!!!

I don't feel bad at all for Phoenix. Considering the Indians are sellers ever year, you have to take what you can get....they got a young player, a pic, and cap space. Sure, they want more, so do the Indians every year. They should have taken the deal and moved on....pure stupidity on their part. Instead, because they can't make a decision to rebuild or not, they will likely end up with nothing when Amare walks this year.

 

[raisen]

Right Move, Right Time
February 18, 2010 · By Erik Cassano
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Antawn Jamison isn't Amare Stoudemire. He's not a prime-of-career superstar who could team up with LeBron James to rule the NBA for the next seven years.

Jamison is 33. He's under contract until the age of 36. By then, even a guy who has aged as gracefully as Jamison will likely start to show wear on his treads.

He's on the back nine of his career, his contract isn't the most flexible, he doesn't possess mind-blowing athleticism, and at 6'-8" he's a little undersized for an NBA power forward.

That's pretty much everything negative you can say about Jamison, wrapped up in three short paragraphs.

Perhaps that's the most amazing thing about the Cavs' deadline prize, acquired late Wednesday in a three team trade with the Wizards and Clippers. The Cavs acquired Jamison and Sebastian Telfair in a deal that cost them Zydrunas Ilgauskas, sent to Washington, and their 2010 first-round draft pick, sent to the Clippers.

If there is no such thing as a perfect trade, Danny Ferry just came darn close in acquiring Jamison. It's the right trade at the right time for the Cavs and for Jamison.

A Stoudemire trade would have been filled with intrigue, a couple large forkfuls of risk and a whole lot of water cooler debate over whether Stoudemire could fit with the Cavs, or whether he would sign an extension this summer, or whether he could be re-molded into at least a competent defender.

Whereas the prospect of a Stoudemire trade was spicy salsa to Cavs fans, the Jamison deal is comparative steak and potatoes. Tried and true sustenance from one of the league's rock-solid players.

And if you're the Cavs and talking NBA title this June, that's exactly what you need. A Stoudemire trade might have passed with flying colors, but more likely in the longer term as Stoudemire spent the next how-many-ever months getting deprogrammed of his offense addiction by Mike Brown and his staff, and re-programmed with a mentality that values defense and setting up teammates.

There probably would have been some friction and bumps in the road, at the very least.

With Jamison, there is no rolling of the dice from a basketball standpoint. As an outside-shooting power forward, he is just what the Cavs need to open up operating space for Shaq and LeBron inside. As a wide, muscular post player, he can get his shot off with his back to the hoop, box out with authority and defend bigger forwards. As a locker-room leader who is widely regarded by coaches, players and media members as one of the true class acts of the league, he brings none of the selfishness and maturity issues that might have been present wth Amare.

And what does Jamison get out of the deal? His best shot at a ring. Jamison has shown an ability to self-motivate and seize the moment in years past.

Keep in mind that Jamison was the guy who played purely on pride against the Cavs in the 2007 playoffs. With Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler on the shelf with injuries, it was Jamison who kept fighting over the course of a four-game Cleveland sweep, which must have seeemed like a hopeless proposition at times. But Jamison still showed up to work with his hardhat on, averaging 32 points and nearly 10 rebounds in the four games.

Jamison brings the Cavs their most talented presence at the big forward spot since Carlos Boozer spent his first two NBA years here before taking the back door out of Cleveland. It's a hole the Cavs have struggled to fill with everyone from Drew Gooden to Donyell Marshall to Anderson Varejao to J.J. Hickson. The latter two will now back Jamison up.

Oh yeah, did I mention that the Cavs didn't have to part with Hickson in the deal? Over the past week, there has been much hand-wringing by fans on message boards over the wisdom of giving up Hickson, who has started to show promise over the past month. Both Phoenix and Washington originally demanded Hickson from the Cavs. But Wednesday, Washington backed off their Hickson demands, and the Cavs managed to make a deal without involving their best youngster.

Even though the Cavs dodged having to part with Hickson, the trade did come with a price. The Plain Dealer's Brian Windhorst reported late Wednesday that the mood around team headquarters was rather bittersweet. The Cavs finally landed a player they had been coveting for quite some time, but in the process, had to ship away the longest-tenured Cav in Ilgauskas.

Ilgauskas could -- and likely will -- request a buyout of the remainder of his expiring contract from the Wizards. It's hard to imagine that he'll finish the season anywhere but Cleveland, but it's now out of the Cavs' hands. Z and his agent have to negotiate a buyout, and begin entertaining offers. He can return to the Cavs 30 days after completing the buyout, but in the interim, he's a free agent, and if for some reason he sees fit to sign elsewhere, the Cavs can't stop him.

But sentimentality can't rule trade talks. The Cavs felt they needed the upgrade that Jamison provides, and Z -- now little more than a backup center -- was worth the price.

Hopefully Z comes back. But in the event he doesn't, the price was still right. So many times, teams hit the trade market trying to find the right match, scrambling to make the pieces fit, mixing together odd-tasting three-team concoctions in the quest to find the right pieces to the puzzle.

In the Cavs' case, there was no guesswork when the team decided to focus squarely on Jamison. He is a hand-glove fit for what the Cavs are trying to accomplish, and it just so happened that the Cavs had the large expiring contract that the soon-to-be rebuilding Wizards wanted in return.

It's the third time in as many years that Ferry found the right match for his expiring contracts. He acquired Mo Williams in much the same way in the summer of 2008, and Shaq last summer.

If the Jamison deal works out like those deals, the Cavs have to be considered the favorites to win their first NBA title in franchise history this June.

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[NorthCoastBias]

I know we're off the safari, but here's some info from Woj:

There were several tense conversations between Steve Kerr and agent Happy Walters over Amar'e Stoudemire situation Wednesday, sources say.

Sounds like Happy isn't so happy. The Suns are one pathetic franchise. It will be interesting to see what happens at 3 PM today. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded to a team we haven't even heard about yet.

 

[*THE ORIGINAL*]

Owner: Suns not looking to move Amare
ESPN.com
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Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has informed All-Star center Amare Stoudemire that he is unlikely to be dealt before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trading deadline.

In an e-mail Thursday morning to ESPN.com, Sarver confirmed reports in the Arizona Republic and on FanHouse.com that he met privately with Stoudemire after Wednesday's loss in Dallas to let him know that the Suns are no longer looking to move him.

Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, echoed that view in an interview Thursday morning with ESPN.com's Chad Ford, saying: "The better [Stoudemire] played over the last couple of weeks, the more emboldened the team got with trades. Anything can happen, but is seems unlikely."

Stoudemire has averaged 26.6 points and 11.7 rebounds the past seven games and started for the West in Sunday's All-Star Game.

The Cleveland Cavaliers pursued Stoudemire hard in recent days at the behest of LeBron James, but pulled out of talks with the Suns Wednesday afternoon and swung a three-team deal instead for Washington's Antawn Jamison -- when Phoenix told the Cavs it wasn't ready to commit to a Stoudemire trade.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924306

haha, Miami
haha, Suns

 

[SoundBreaker]

Woooooaaahhh

BREAKING NEWS: Antawn Jamison possibly OUT 3-4 weeks as he attempts to learn the new handshakes with his Cavalier teammates.

 

[JayP146]

Woooooaaahhh

BREAKING NEWS: Antawn Jamison possibly OUT 3-4 weeks as he attempts to learn the new handshakes with his Cavalier teammates.

Regardless, the Suns (Sarver) dug their own grave. They're going to let Amar'e expire with nothing to show for it. I feel bad for Steve Kerr..

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I feel bad for Steve Kerr..

I don't. He had his chance twice and botched it both times.

I feel great for Hickson, though, that he doesn't have to go to that hellish prison with the Suns.

 

[JayP146]

I don't. He had his chance twice and botched it both times.

I feel great for Hickson, though, that he doesn't have to go to that hellish prison with the Suns.

His owner has put him in an awful position two deadlines in a row, though. Somehow I get the feeling this whole mess was more Sarver's doing than Kerr's.