Andrew Wiggins

[Randolphkeys]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

If people didn't notice, Jabari Parker, Greek Freak and the Bucks were 0-4 this summer. For all of the concern about Wiggins learning how to score against players his own size, the Cavaliers have rarely trailed all summer. I know its just summer ball, but the young guys play harder than everyone else... including Mr. Wiggins.

 

[LeBro]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

Anyone that trades a future MVP for a soon to be 26 year old who can't play defense is an absolute fool.

Well, yeah, but not many people think Wiggins projects to be a future MVP. He's a great prospect, but his stock has fallen since he was first hyped up as the "next big thing" a few years ago.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

I guess we should keep Dion over Wiggins as Hollingers draft rater had him as the best wing to come out since Dee Wayne Wade.

Or we could keep both for the time being. I'm not sure that Wiggins should start out the gate. Waiters has starting experience and looked very good at the end of last year. But Wiggins will most definitely get plenty of PT. Wiggins will grow as the season progresses. We're a team that is blessed with a lot of young talent on the roster.

 

[Baseline Runner]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

We are already seeing Wiggins defensive impact in the summer league:

Jabari Parker and the Bucks play the Spurs, he has 7 turnovers and Spurs win 100-71 with Kyle Anderson scoring 14 points.

Wiggins and the Cavs play the Spurs, Wiggins goes 3-11 but the Cavs win 82-70 with Kyle Anderson scoring 2 points.

 

[teamcanada]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

Wiggins will be an MVP some day. He's the type of player that brings not just flashy stats, but wins.

 

[JohnnyEightball]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

Hmmm, what exactly is your argument? Wiggins is not projected to be a star by all advanced figures btw, I think my point is you "feeling" good about him doesn't mean much.

The reality is that Love is better than most #1 picks according to all the advanced stats we have on record. Your argument is extremely illogical and simply ignores the fact that LeBron and Kyrie will waste time waiting for a maybe-allstar player to develop, most likely not as good as Love. He didn't play that well in college, stop telling me to "stop". I'm just reporting reality to you as of today. If he develops ball handling in time to make us 3 or 4-peat I'll apologize. As of right now that is not the case according to all objective perspectives.

Sure I could be proven wrong, but it isn't statistically probable. Your path for the Cavs is simply not sound. Especially if you can steal Love for unsure prospects. It doesn't matter that he was "#1", he wasn't dominant in college according to neutral barometers of statistical success. It is that simple, also I only want the best for this team heh.

Also if the Cavs 3-peat somehow, that still doesn't mean that Wiggins is an-allstar either. This Cavs team has a lot of potential to succeed, that does not mean Wiggins will be the reason for it.

You do realize you know nothing right?

lol @ talking about IF the Cavs have a 3peat or 4peat you will admit you were wrong about Wiggins.

If you actually were a Cleveland fan and knew anything about basketball, you would just hope for at least 1 championship for starters.

In summary, you are a moron, sorry.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

You do realize you know nothing right?

lol @ talking about IF the Cavs have a 3peat or 4peat you will admit you were wrong about Wiggins.

If you actually were a Cleveland fan and knew anything about basketball, you would just hope for at least 1 championship for starters.

In summary, you are a moron, sorry.

A reminder to new members, this type of posting is only acceptable in EAYOR... even if you are defending a Cavaliers player.

 

[dark2332]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

You do realize you know nothing right?

lol @ talking about IF the Cavs have a 3peat or 4peat you will admit you were wrong about Wiggins.

If you actually were a Cleveland fan and knew anything about basketball, you would just hope for at least 1 championship for starters.

In summary, you are a moron, sorry.

His stance has gone from being on the fence to fully anti-Wiggins. It's because of all the hate he's getting for that stance. He loves the argument. Don't feed him, put him on ignore.

 

[CavsFTW]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

Wiggins will be an MVP some day. He's the type of player that brings not just flashy stats, but wins.

I don't expect flashy stats from Wiggins this season. I really think he needs to evolve his game considerably before that happens.

If I were Andrew, I'd study LeBron the way Kobe studied MJ. Well, I wouldn't want him copying LeBron's speech patterns and mannerisms, but I'd watch LeBron and mimic everything he does on the court because Andrew's one of the few players in the league with the athleticism to match the athleticism LeBron had 10 years ago.

And he should probably start with his dribbling. Both LeBron and Kyrie (especially) can help him there. If Andrew can improve his handles, especially driving to his left, that opens up the ability to add a crossover, to draw fouls, and the ability to drive and kick to pick up easy assists.

That's really the point in which everything will start falling into place for him.

 

[aspivey]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

A reminder to new members, this type of posting is only acceptable in EAYOR... even if you are defending a Cavaliers player.

And yet, the post stands. :chuckles:

Don't feed him, put him on ignore.

Lasted about three posts for me. Some of these July '14ers have been pretty bad, with the notable exception of our new Israeli members who've brought valuable insight.

@mvposter32

No one is making the case that Wiggins is currently, or will soon be, a superior all-around player than Love. The basic case is that Wiggins fills a more valuable need for the team (highly athletic wing defender) than Love (scoring and rebounding). He costs a lot less, still has significant upside (Love is moreso a known commodity), and you can have him without the forfeiture of any additional assets. It's an entirely reasonable case. One can tack on the potential long-term impact of his presence easing the defensive burden on LeBron.

That's not to say that I don't believe a case can be made for Love, but you're not the one making it. The price for Love becomes very steep when, to make salaries work, you have to trade not only Wiggins, but another young player with him.

Presuming yourself to be "objective" (ridiculous), let alone the sole objective observer (*sigh*, ignore), and calling people hold different opinions "highly illogical" is not going to win friends, influence people, or settle arguments on the internet. Your argument is weak and you're making it poorly. That's why people want you to stop.

Don't feed him, put him on ignore.

I know, I know. I never bite on stuff like this, but I'm in a weird mood, I guess. Maybe I hoped he'd knock it off, or at least people would stop quoting him.

 

[Snarly]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

A blast from the past.?

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[ACDC_Rocks024]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

I think his "passiveness" is extremely undervalued. It sounds like a knock when I say it, but the fact is with our current roster, we don't rly have room for another scorer who hogs the ball like Dion n Kyrie. In SL, he is forced to create his own shots and basically be the #1 guy alongside AB. I can't wait to see him on the floor with our REAL lineup, he will contribute in so many ways including his willingness to share the ball

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

I think his "passiveness" is extremely undervalued. It sounds like a knock when I say it, but the fact is with our current roster, we don't rly have room for another scorer who hogs the ball like Dion n Kyrie. In SL, he is forced to create his own shots and basically be the #1 guy alongside AB. I can't wait to see him on the floor with our REAL lineup, he will contribute in so many ways including his willingness to share the ball

What's interesting is while he is passive on offense, he is the opposite on defense.

Even in the interview they posted on cavs.com almost everything he talked in his responses seemed to be related to defense. That was his focus - pretty rare in a young player.

 

[Rist77]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

A few thoughts on Wiggins…

About his dribbling; it’s not so much that Wiggins can’t dribble and beat his man off the dribble, he can, it’s that he possesses very poor offensive awareness with the ball in his hand. He can beat his man off the dribble going right and he has a spin move, so he can beat his man off the dibble whenever he wants to. Go right and he’s at the rim or, gets cut off, and he spins back left and he’s at the rim. Or forced left, then he goes left and spins back right and he’s at the rim. Or forced left with no intent to recover, then he goes left and he’s at the rim.

The point is even without a left he’s quick and explosive enough to get by his man at will almost every time. The problem is when he has clear lanes to the rim, he almost always pulls up, watch it, he does this every time. Or he drives right into a help defender and is forced to pull up instead of driving where the lane is. He did this all the time in college too. With the ball in his hands his court awareness is absolutely horrible and it’s something that’s really hard to improve on (it can improve but it’s very rare). Most likely you either have it by this stage or you don’t, it’s like court vision with point guards, becoming a pure point isn’t something you usually do at 19,20,21,22 years old, it’s in you way before that.

This leads me to believe that Wiggins will never be a Pippen (come on guys, Pippen was a point forward, pretty much the exact opposite of Wiggins with the ball), or a Durant, LeBron, or even a Paul George offensively. That’s just not who he is, he’s not that type of player offensively. I see him more of a (and I hate comparisons, I’m not talking about percentages just game in general) Rudy Gay type player on offense while being a Paul George type player or better on defense. That’s an all-star or superstar type player and a player that should have a huge impact on each game. In my opinion because of Wiggins physical gifts, he can be a 20-25 ppg scorer while being non-ball dominant just because his shot looks good and he can score, he’s just not that alpha dog ball dominant scorer. Maybe even a usage rate of around 20% compared to LeBron, Durant, and PG who have around 30%. And the argument could even be made that while playing with ball dominant player(s) that he would be even more valuable being a non-ball dominant player than a ball dominant player.

 

[Nathan S]

Re: #1: Andrew Wiggins - G/F - Kansas University

I hate the Rudy Gay comparison...the only reason Wiggins' usage is so high is because it's summer league. Playing with James and Irving he should be averaging 12 ppg on moderate to high efficiency, not gunning for 20 ppg Rudy Gay style.