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Bill Simmons Leaving ESPN

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Dude knows his basketball. Like his writing more often than not, but hate him on TV. Awful, just awful. He'll start his own site and will have no trouble finding writers. There was also some dumbass rumor on twitter that he was joining cleveland.com. WTFF.
 
Can't believe he didn't own Grantland. What an idiot. If he owned Grantland, he'd at least have had a large platform to continue his writing and his podcasts; even something he could use to springboard into a larger arena, but now?

And given how this played out, I highly doubt it was a mutual decision.

Lol... lolololol...

Adios!


Ownng Grantland wouldnt have allowed him to do the things he loves to do, the podcasts, NBA broadcasts, writng, etc. He'd be too busy tryng to drive traffic to his site and convincing writers to come on board.

Reportedly Grantland is only seeing 5 million viewers a month (back last summer) even with ESPN backing it. Simmons would be looking constantly at traffic growth and how to develop it. Not to mention, w/o the financial backing of espn, how far would the quality slip?

Im sure his yearly salary he received from espn helped ease any concern of owning Grantland.
 
Ownng Grantland wouldnt have allowed him to do the things he loves to do, the podcasts, NBA broadcasts, writng, etc. He'd be too busy tryng to drive traffic to his site and convincing writers to come on board.

Reportedly Grantland is only seeing 5 million viewers a month (back last summer) even with ESPN backing it. Simmons would be looking constantly at traffic growth and how to develop it. Not to mention, w/o the financial backing of espn, how far would the quality slip?

Im sure his yearly salary he received from espn helped ease any concern of owning Grantland.

Something tells me, considering the news of the day, Simmons wishes he owned Grantland.

And guys like me, in IS/development and others in marketing worry about driving traffic, not content creators.
 
..wait, huh..

Sorry, I must be behind the times, but can someone fill me in on how Jason Whitlock alienates readers and "plays the race card?"

Honest question, hoping for an honest answer.
 
Something tells me, considering the news of the day, Simmons wishes he owned Grantland.

And guys like me, in IS/development and others in marketing worry about driving traffic, not content creators.

Yeah, that's a massive blunder on his part.

Even if he creates something new he's going to have to start all over building a brand.
 
Something tells me, considering the news of the day, Simmons wishes he owned Grantland.

And guys like me, in IS/development and others in marketing worry about driving traffic, not content creators.


sure, today he wishes he owned Grantland, just like he wishes he owned the rights to 30 for 30. Back when he was getting either project off the ground he needed the financial backing from somewhere and who better than the company that took him from AOL and to the masses? He may have felt he owed them somewhat for the success they brought him.

The past few years may have opened his eyes, especially after his suspension, that espn is not the paradise it once was for him. Unfortunatley for him, he already made his deal with the Devil.
 
sure, today he wishes he owned Grantland, just like he wishes he owned the rights to 30 for 30. Back when he was getting either project off the ground he needed the financial backing from somewhere and who better than the company that took him from AOL and to the masses? He may have felt he owed them somewhat for the success they brought him.

The past few years may have opened his eyes, especially after his suspension, that espn is not the paradise it once was for him. Unfortunatley for him, he already made his deal with the Devil.

I hear you, I'm just thinking where on Earth was the foresight?

I mean, this seems as though ESPN is more or less firing him. Simmons was in negotiations for extending his contract, and reports are that ESPN wasn't concerned with the "money" aspect of this. So this seems far more like ESPN basically showing Simmons the door; and with their statements regarding Grantland, it seems pretty clear they've taken into consideration that the platform is theirs and a plan is in place.

To me, this seems as though they were planning all along to dismiss him, probably since his Goodell comments.

In some ways I feel sorry for the guy, but in all honesty he should have had legal counsel advising him that there was no benefit in him not owning a large creative steak in some of these productions. Many, many, content creators continue to hold/share creative rights over their work.

Just seems like he had bad advice, probably because he came in with nothing. And now it seems that ESPN is pushing him out with exactly that... nothing.

If he had control over Grantland, this would be a completely different conversation.
 
..wait, huh..

Sorry, I must be behind the times, but can someone fill me in on how Jason Whitlock alienates readers and "plays the race card?"

Honest question, hoping for an honest answer.

I don't have any scientific data or anything. When he fills in on PTI something always gets reverted to racism. When they quote an article of his on ESPN or the like, it's generally about something racial.

When someone brings up Whitlock, I associate him with hammering the race card.

Just like everytime someone brings up @gourimoko I assume it's substantive lady advice or alpha male type stuff...
 
I hear you, I'm just thinking where on Earth was the foresight?

I mean, this seems as though ESPN is more or less firing him. Simmons was in negotiations for extending his contract, and reports are that ESPN wasn't concerned with the "money" aspect of this. So this seems far more like ESPN basically showing Simmons the door; and with their statements regarding Grantland, it seems pretty clear they've taken into consideration that the platform is theirs and a plan is in place.

To me, this seems as though they were planning all along to dismiss him, probably since his Goodell comments.

In some ways I feel sorry for the guy, but in all honesty he should have had legal counsel advising him that there was no benefit in him not owning a large creative steak in some of these productions. Many, many, content creators continue to hold/share creative rights over their work.

Just seems like he had bad advice, probably because he came in with nothing. And now it seems that ESPN is pushing him out with exactly that... nothing.

If he had control over Grantland, this would be a completely different conversation.

Yeah, I mean obviously he needed financial backing to get it off the ground, but you think he would have at least done a 51/49 split so that if something like this happened he could go to another financial backer and have them buy out ESPN's share or get a large sum of money from ESPN as compensation for having outright control of the thing.
 
Something tells me, considering the news of the day, Simmons wishes he owned Grantland.

And guys like me, in IS/development and others in marketing worry about driving traffic, not content creators.

Eh...Simmons will basically be able to pick his next job. He's one of ESPN's most prominent and popular writers. I'm sure owning Grantland was never an option that was on the table when he pitched the idea to ESPN. He benefited from their financial backing and they benefited from the group of writers he assembled and the ability of those writers to push the envelope more than they would have on ESPN's main site.

Again, though, Simmons is going to be able to choose where he lands. Yahoo, CBS, and Fox will be leaping at the chance to sign him and any talent he poaches from Grantland.
 
Amen Jack. Took the words out of my mouth. Simmons needed ESPN's capital because couldn't have launched the Grantland universe as successfully on his lonesome. Bill definitely needed ESPN to finance and launch the Grantland digital universe. In an ironic twist, this is exactly what happened to Sonny Vaccaro. Great Grantland piece, as well as Ibaka's "son of the congo." Check em out.

Bill Simmons feels like Sonny Vaccaro, he's the one who's idea this was, he's the guy who has the relationships, he's the guy that started this chain of success. Ultimately, Phil Knight of Nike says you are no longer our friend, but our enemy, get lost.

The guy with greater capital terminates the relationship with the charismatic ringleader of the whole ordeal. The talented guy who started everything felt he was worth the sun and the moon to the company; and ultimately the person with stacks of cash decided your perception isn't in line with our reality; you've given us everything you have, but now it's time to get lost.

This whole thing, Grantland what it's become was all Bill's invention. ESPN wasn't doing this on their own out of the blue. Bill won them over, he needed them, they used him for what he was worth; then his perception of himself was not in line with their agenda. Bill tried to use his leverage; as the creator in some fashion, and the higher up wasn't having it. Bill didn't have any leverage. It was owned by ESPN.

Ain't that a bitch. You know Simmons was secretly happy about Kevin Love's injury, and luring J.R. into suspension.
 
Eh...Simmons will basically be able to pick his next job. He's one of ESPN's most prominent and popular writers.

Well.. we'll see about that. I think Simmons would probably rather not work for another corporation in the same way that he did ESPN. And in that I hope to see him turn this situation around to his benefit.

I'm sure owning Grantland was never an option that was on the table when he pitched the idea to ESPN.

I doubt that.

It was his original idea, his concept, and his writing and skill that propelled the vehicle forward. To say it was never an option, I think, would speak volumes about his relationship with ESPN; and if this were truly the case, again, he got bad advice.

He would have been better off creating Grantland on his own and letting it grow out organically until he could encourage investments and advertising relationships in order to cover the costs of content and driving traffic.

To give you an idea of the model I'm referring to, there is a guy I used to blog with all the time on DailyKos, Nate Silver, who went from blogging there to blogging on his own site FiveThirtyEight. Back then, we were among a group almost entirely focused on poll analysis, and went back and forth projecting precincts in various elections.

Eventually his site was bought by the New York Times (IIRC), and he became an "employee," but he still retains a 40% stake in 538, and even if he were removed, he'd still get revenues from the operation. Now his site is very similar in design to Grantland, and covers politics, sports, and a host of other things with various NYT and 538 columnists on deck.

This model predates Grantland, and this is why I stated Simmons got bad advice.
He could've started the blog without ESPN, and worked out a cooperative arrangement with ESPN rather than them simply owning the IP rights, which again, was idiotic.

He benefited from their financial backing and they benefited from the group of writers he assembled and the ability of those writers to push the envelope more than they would have on ESPN's main site.

He benefited in some ways yes, with respect to exposure, but I don't think the degree of benefit was mutual.

ESPN apparently retained full ownership rights over Grantland, which is astounding. Simmons created multiple projects for ESPN that were very well received and ESPN profited millions due to his work. In exchange, Simmons was suspended numerous times, and subsequently and unceremoniously fired several months prior to his contract expiring.

This was not a mutually beneficial arrangement. It was an employee/employer relationship, which, again, is unusual for someone who creates as much content and drives as much traffic as Simmons; who is by and large, ESPN's top attraction, AFAIK.

Again, though, Simmons is going to be able to choose where he lands. Yahoo, CBS, and Fox will be leaping at the chance to sign him and any talent he poaches from Grantland.

No doubt, but at what point does Simmons want to control his own situation, rather than working for these corporations as nothing more than a glorified employee?
 
I doubt Bill readily ceded ownership of Grantland to ESPN at it's inception.

If it was going to be backed by ESPN, use ESPN resources and capital, and be marketed by ESPN to get off the ground, Bill would have a tough time making the case in a contract negotiation that he should have majority ownership. He's not the one paying the writers, site operation, advertising, etc. Simmons didn't even have final say in Grantland matters. He was operating under a division of ESPN and reported to Marie Donahue of ESPN's Exit 31 division. He was essentially the president and face of Grantland while ESPN remained the CEO and controlling interest of the board. ESPN likely doesn't provide him the resources at all without control of Grantland.

It will certainly be interesting to see what his next move is. You have to think he will explore starting his own Grantland-like medium and try to poach guys like Lowe, Barnwell, Rembert, Morris, etc.. If Bill can steal a few of those guys, and he just might, Grantland could quickly become a joke. Problem is, Bill will always lose those bidding wars with ESPN without backing from another major media player. And as we all know, Bill is loathe to censor himself for corporate parent interests.
 
ESPN apparently retained full ownership rights over Grantland, which is astounding. Simmons created multiple projects for ESPN that were very well received and ESPN profited millions due to his work. In exchange, Simmons was suspended numerous times, and subsequently and unceremoniously fired several months prior to his contract expiring.

Wait...has Simmons been fired? ESPN's statement seemed to imply they'd part ways when his contract expired.
 

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