Browns stadium thread: To dome or not to dome

[inliner311]

I hope they're nicer than what RTA was when I was growing up.

If you want to court the crowd that would fly in for an NFL game, you need to feel equal to or better than a nice, clean airport shuttle. Ideally it would go non-stop from the stadium to somewhere downtown with hotel/restaurant access.

The Green and Blue lines tends to be nicer than the red line. From the pictures I saw the trains looked more like green/blue line trains than red line one.

They definitely need to figure out express trains to make things faster. The new trains will be able to go on both tracks so the hope is they figure out a way to make some sort of express train from the green/blue lines to the airport and back. Especially on game days they need to figure out how you get all the east siders to use the RTA and not make all those people have to go on a train that stops on all the west side stops if the dome is in Brookpark.

 

[natedagg]

This is another property that dude sold, on his site he has a listing of a number of the whole private lakes with acreage, or islands on Lake Superior.

This one was a gem. 40 acre lake, 750 acres of unspoiled forest.

https://upwaterfront.com/whiskeyjack/

Sorry I am in a hurry but before I forget, when did this sell for that price?

Like is it possible that close to that deal comes back?

But that’s what I love about the area - there’s plenty of small lakes for this type of thing. My buddy says that they are of varying quality as far as the soil vs granite underneath, depth, etc., but plenty to explore. Almost too much, like a paralyzing amount. I might try to get a sh*thole house up in Iron River just to have a home base to explore. Like some of those places are really really cheap.

 

[Sebastian]

Sorry I am in a hurry but before I forget, when did this sell for that price?

Like is it possible that close to that deal comes back?

But that’s what I love about the area - there’s plenty of small lakes for this type of thing. My buddy says that they are of varying quality as far as the soil vs granite underneath, depth, etc., but plenty to explore. Almost too much, like a paralyzing amount. I might try to get a sh*thole house up in Iron River just to have a home base to explore. Like some of those places are really really cheap.

That property was up 15 years ago I think.

I vaguely recall it may have gone for like $640,000?

The whole lakes with 300-800 acres generally go for $400K-$1 millionish.

Over the years he has sold about a dozen whole lakes attached to a lot of land.

Below is a link to his sold listings but it is not exclusive.

There is one lake I really liked back in the 2010s, but it isn't there it was 65 acre lake, all granite shore, big 40 ft. granite cliff going into a deep part of the lake, probably a waterfall as the glaciers melted with 480 acres.

Another one I distinctly remember because it was such a great deal was for Silver Lake on the Kewanee Peninsula not far from Marquette. It was over the hill from Lake Superior so one could build on the ridge and see their lake and the big lake.

Half the frontage of Silver lake, which is a big 1000 acre lake, along with 1200 acres. The other half of the lake is fully protected from development by the Conservancy Trust that owns all the adjoining land and the property was also protected but came with an easement to build a single family dwelling (of any size) as well as a few out-buildings to serve the primary dwelling.

So, in other words, the land was protected, and sold at a very low price because one could only build for a single family rather than develop it. This is the perfect deal for what you have in mind in terms of never seeing any development in the entire area with yourself as the only family on the entire lake. Complete solitude.

The cost for this gem with so much lakefront and 1200 acres only 30 minutes from Marquette and on Lake Superior?

$750,000.


https://upwaterfront.com/listings/sold-real-estate-listings/

 

[Sebastian]

Sorry I am in a hurry but before I forget, when did this sell for that price?

Like is it possible that close to that deal comes back?

But that’s what I love about the area - there’s plenty of small lakes for this type of thing. My buddy says that they are of varying quality as far as the soil vs granite underneath, depth, etc., but plenty to explore. Almost too much, like a paralyzing amount. I might try to get a sh*thole house up in Iron River just to have a home base to explore. Like some of those places are really really cheap.

Yes, a lot of the cost differences in the region will depend on 1) Distance from the large towns with airports, 2) Size of parcel, forested etc., 3) Size and type of lake. Many of the lakes are tiny and shallow, so depth and size matters. 4) Water quality, clear water has a premium as the entire Canadian Shield area encompassing Lake Superior/Huron tends to have tea-colored water in lakes, 5) Soil type and build-ability. 6) River access on the property, 7) Proximity to the big lake. 8) Road and utility access.

But as you note, lots of possible properties to explore. Something like 80% of private property on the UP is owned by logging companies and they routinely divest of large tracts that are completely unspoiled and sold in big chunks.

Also, as Boomers die off, one may see certain large properties become free as their kids and grand-kids may not share the love of being so isolated from large cities.

But, I have zero doubt you'll be able to find a real gem for a good price.

 

[southernflyer]

You would think that with O'Haire constantly having issues, delays and being overloaded that they might want to offload some of that burden.

United was battling with American for #1 status at O'Hare at the time. They didn't want to defer routes to Cleveland and lose their advantage of connecting passengers filling up planes that O&D couldn't. Every major airline (American w/ St. Louis, Delta w/ Cincinnati and DFW and United w/ Cleveland) closed their regional jet hubs after the fuel spike in the mid '00s. made operating them too expensive CASM (cost per available seat mile) compared to larger jets.

Cleveland is also very expensive to operate out of compared to other medium size airports. The city has been reducing landing fees to signatory airlines and temporarily to spur new routes for the past few years. I'd have to look at the exact numbers but it was around $20-25m a year (from $20m in receivables to $5m in credits). A growing airport like Austin or Raleigh can temporarily absorb those losses knowing increased passenger volumes and PFCs (passenger facility charges) will offset them. Hopkins and their 20 years of mismanagement and crony airport directors can't. At Continental's hub peak Hopkins ran $13.5m passenger/year. Since the de-hubbing the airport has seen 8-10m passengers/year with many here today, gone tomorrow flight operations.

 

[buzzdog]

Would Cleveland, Tennessee count for you?

Cleveland, New Mexico?

(It exists in Northern New Mexico, in the southern part of the Sangre de Cristo mountain range.)

 

[Sebastian]

Sorry I am in a hurry but before I forget, when did this sell for that price?

Like is it possible that close to that deal comes back?

But that’s what I love about the area - there’s plenty of small lakes for this type of thing. My buddy says that they are of varying quality as far as the soil vs granite underneath, depth, etc., but plenty to explore. Almost too much, like a paralyzing amount. I might try to get a sh*thole house up in Iron River just to have a home base to explore. Like some of those places are really really cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AoJNhjwy0yU

 

[natedagg]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AoJNhjwy0yU

Amazing. Def love cliff diving w the monkeys. Will check out other YouTube stuff to do too. Then I will have a base before I tax your time

I think we will have 4 proper days in the UP. The tentative plan is day trip, post up, day trip. Post up. So not too much traveling every day where the monkeys drive us nuts, but def want to do Superior one day, then maybe a hike to the west. All subject to change if something is fun enough, or maybe if it rains we will have to Omaha/audible to a different plan.

 

[macbdog]

Cleveland, Saudi Arabia.

This man Clinics.

 

[inliner311]

The Browns would presumably want $600 million from the state for a new $2.4 billion venue in Brook Park, but Stephens says, 'We don't have $600 million to give.'

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/ohio-house-speaker-jason-stephens-lukewarm-state-funds-new-cleveland-browns-stadium/95-4fb3ca01-b022-4a57-910a-3929fd0ce522

 

[Peachtree]

The Browns would presumably want $600 million from the state for a new $2.4 billion venue in Brook Park, but Stephens says, 'We don't have $600 million to give.'

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/ohio-house-speaker-jason-stephens-lukewarm-state-funds-new-cleveland-browns-stadium/95-4fb3ca01-b022-4a57-910a-3929fd0ce522

Build the stadium and make Cincinnati pay for it!

 

[Otsego Mar]

The Browns would presumably want $600 million from the state for a new $2.4 billion venue in Brook Park, but Stephens says, 'We don't want to give you $600 million.'

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/ohio-house-speaker-jason-stephens-lukewarm-state-funds-new-cleveland-browns-stadium/95-4fb3ca01-b022-4a57-910a-3929fd0ce522

FiFY

 

[inliner311]

Build the stadium and make Cincinnati pay for it!

Cincinnati will ask for money if they give the Browns money for a stadium but there will be push back from the rest of the state on what they get from whatever tax they pull from. I never thought it made sense to count on the state for any portion of the dome or even the renovation. It's not Minnesota where the Vikings are really their only NFL team for the whole state. Ohio isn't just split into Bengal and Browns fans. There are a lot of Steelers fans in Columbus area. There are a lot of Lions fans in the Toledo area. There are even people who switched their support when the Browns left.

 

[macbdog]

Cincinnati will ask for money if they give the Browns money for a stadium but there will be push back from the rest of the state on what they get from whatever tax they pull from. I never thought it made sense to count on the state for any portion of the dome or even the renovation. It's not Minnesota where the Vikings are really their only NFL team for the whole state. Ohio isn't just split into Bengal and Browns fans. There are a lot of Steelers fans in Columbus area. There are a lot of Lions fans in the Toledo area. There are even people who switched their support when the Browns left.

Jimmy loves Columbus, he maybe thought he made enough politician friends there to get it done.

 

[inliner311]

Jimmy loves Columbus, he maybe thought he made enough politician friends there to get it done.

Yea but most of the politicians in the state government dislike Cleveland and Cincinnati, especially Cuyahoga county and Hamilton county. He might have gotten some stuff done for the Crew but they look at Columbus differently than they do Cincinnati and Cleveland.