Car Advice

[inliner311]

The problem with hydrogen is there are very few places in the world that can produce excess green energy and have an excess fresh water source. Basically places that can produce excess green energy with solar, wind, or hydro have to be in an area that has excess fresh water. Humans have congregated in areas with fresh water sources so they don't have excess energy to spare. On the flip side places like deserts that can produce excess energy don't have fresh water sources.

If they can produce hydrogen with salt water more effectively then it might become more viable.

There is a place in Japan that has excess hydro energy and the water to spare, it's why Japanese auto companies were the only ones really making hydrogen cars. I know BMW made some hydrogen cars but I don't think they were put into production.

 

[KI4MVP]

$7500 tax credit on top of these price cuts (except for the performance Y)

Not shown on the table, Model 3 Long Range AWD with 358 mile range now starts at $49,990.

 

[Jake]

Tesla in the news ....

 

[KI4MVP]

 

[KI4MVP]

 

[cavsfever]

What I’m worried about with the Tesla is running out of charge in the middle of nowhere…

 

[KI4MVP]

What I’m worried about with the Tesla is running out of charge in the middle of nowhere…

The built in navigation routes you to the chargers you need for your trip. In 3 1/2 years of ownership and many road trips, I've never had an issue with it.

 

[Jake]

Some info about EV vs ICE vehicles.
https://autos.yahoo.com/driving-100-miles-ev-now-000000887.html

 

[KI4MVP]

Some info about EV vs ICE vehicles.
https://autos.yahoo.com/driving-100-miles-ev-now-000000887.html

This from that article is completely wrong "Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles".

Tesla Model 3 SR: 25 kWh/100 mi
Tesla Model 3 LR: 26 kWh/100 mi
Tesla Model Y: 28 kWh/100 mi
Chevy Bolt: 28 kWh/100 mi

25-28 kWh of electricity doesn't cost $11.60 at home
Where I live that costs $3.00 - $3.36 at $0.12/kWh

 

[cavsfever]

They include costs for home charging equipment though

 

[KI4MVP]

They include costs for home charging equipment though

cost seems too high, and seems a weird way to calculate it. You install it once and keeps working when you trade your car in for another EV and the one after that and the one after that.

We have two EVs, one we installed a dryer outlet (full charge overnight), the other we use the standard 110v plug (adds 30+ miles overnight). For each the charger is the $230 mobile charger (wall adaptor is swappable).

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

cost seems too high, and seems a weird way to calculate it. You install it once and keeps working when you trade your car in for another EV and the one after that and the one after that.

We have two EVs, one we installed a dryer outlet (full charge overnight), the other we use the standard 110v plug (adds 30+ miles overnight). For each the charger is the $230 mobile charger (wall adaptor is swappable).

Treat it the way you treat your business.

You amortize the purchase over a set number of years. I would expect any honest attempt at the home owner comparison to do the same.

 

[KI4MVP]

Treat it the way you treat your business.

You amortize the purchase over a set number of years. I would expect any honest attempt at the home owner comparison to do the same.

I viewed it as an expense of purchasing the first one, money that never has to be spent again. Even if you add it in, it eventually goes away.

But either way the study overstated the cost and then the article completely misrepresented the study with the quote "Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles"

Charge at home, add in the EV tax, add in something for installing the dryer outlet and buying a charger (was actually free with my car, but is an added cost now) and I'm still under $5 per 100 miles charging at home. In a few years the dryer part of the per 100 mile cost goes away.

It is more expensive to charge when traveling vs charging at home. Part of that can be offset with free destination charging offered by many hotels.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I viewed it as an expense of purchasing the first one, money that never has to be spent again. Even if you add it in, it eventually goes away.

But either way the study overstated the cost and then the article completely misrepresented the study with the quote "Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles"

Charge at home, add in the EV tax, add in something for installing the dryer outlet and buying a charger (was actually free with my car, but is an added cost now) and I'm still under $5 per 100 miles charging at home. In a few years the dryer part of the per 100 mile cost goes away.

It is more expensive to charge when traveling vs charging at home. Part of that can be offset with free destination charging offered by many hotels.

I'm not defending the article or the conclusion. You don't need to regurgitate that portion. I agree with you that the costs aren't equal.

But you know that capital investments have to be accounted for in any financial analysis. They don't disappear over time, because you always compare that factor against what you could have done with that money if you didn't spend it on the charger.

 

[KI4MVP]

I'm not defending the article or the conclusion. You don't need to regurgitate that portion. I agree with you that the costs aren't equal.

But you know that capital investments have to be accounted for in any financial analysis. They don't disappear over time, because you always compare that factor against what you could have done with that money if you didn't spend it on the charger.

Without the need for an EV charger, I would have already long ago spent it all on gasoline that burns away when it's used.