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Carrick Felix traded to Jazz for Lucas, Murphy, and Thomas

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..., or some combination (like Minny wanting to clear a roster spot and get rid of Barea and his contract)...You know, I don't think the 3 Utah guys for Barea is a bad deal. I would hold out for Minny's 2015 second rounder and a 2016 second rounder. Then you can flip Barea (expiring $4.5M contract) and the picks at the deadline. Till then, you have your 3rd string PG to play some garbage time.
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A TE is all well and good, but TEs are inflexible (can be for no more than the amount of the exception), and sound more useful in theory than they typically are in practice.

With Love and Barea's history, any part of JJ on the roster would do more harm than good.

I agree about trade exceptions, they are good in theory, but seem like they're harder to execute towards someone worthwhile.
 
I like how Lloyd is referring to this as "needing cap space to sign LeBron and all his friends"...so there's no ambiguity as to who's really running this team.

Well, LeBron is currently the best GM in team history with his acquisitions of LeBron James, Mike Miller, Matrix, and Kevin Love, so I'll allow it.
 
I like how Lloyd is referring to this as "needing cap space to sign LeBron and all his friends"...so there's no ambiguity as to who's really running this team.

Seemed like a petty line to me. He still acts butt hurt that the cavs fired Grant. Griffin is bringing in guys that actually make sense, not trying to get all cute and pissing people off at the same time. Lloyd needs to move on.


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I don't understand the motivation for another team to trade for the non-guaranteed contracts of the Utah players unless they are getting rid of a contract they don't like, or unless they really like one of the players, or unless the Cavs are sending out some sweetener. So, I don't follow how the Cavs would be getting a trade exception out of any deal unless some team owes them a favor. I guess it doesn't hurt the other team to accept players they can just waive, but I would think they would ask for something.
The Cabs could add cash to the deal. Basically buy a trade exception.
 
I agree, I don't see how the trade with Utah was about making cap space to sign Lebron's friends. The timing was not right to create more cap space, the trade involved bringing back more salary that we sent out, and the non guaranteed salary we received is still on the books, so no additional cap space was ever created. If anything, the trade did the exact opposite. It ate up any cap space that could have been created for free agents. The only signings that remain on the team from 2014 cap space are Lebron & Harris. Miller got the space MLE. Everyone else got min salary.

My thought at the time was that this trade was designed to convert separate assets that could not be combined in a single trade into a larger, more flexible bunch of non-guaranteed contracts that could get used to pick up a single target via trade before January. 60 days later, it doesn't look like a deal is going to happen any time soon and the Cavs have signed Amundson and Powel, players who may knock Murphy and Thomas off the roster, negating some of the benefits of the trade. ( Amundson should become tradable after 12/15, no? )

So here's the list of reasons that the trade might have happened--

1) Maybe there was a second deal lined up and it fell apart sometime after 7/22. Seems the most likely, but not necessarily the only explanation of what happened. Maybe the Cavs backed out after they saw where Haywood was. Maybe some toher team upped the asking price after the Love trade.

2) Maybe there wasn't a specific deal in place when the trade happened. It could be that this was just to create additional trade options at a future date than the trade exception & player that they had. Giving up cash, a draft pick & Felix to get that done seems like a steep price to create a trade tool that was only viable for about 6 weeks before the team had to start waiving players. Seems like their might have been other ways to do that.

3) Maybe they decided the time was right to move Carrick Felix and Griffin was willing to give up cash and a pick to do it. Carrick did have a kind of funky contract that wasn't likely to be easier to move next year. Maybe Carrick asked for a trade to a team where he had a better chance at getting playing time. Can't rule out the possibility that the Cavs wanted to move Felix.

4) Or maybe Griffin* just liked one of the incoming players more than Felix. Two of the players that they brought in were front court players, so Griffin* did mange to trade small for big, which is often hard to do. Doesn't seem likely, because all the players that came in will likely be playing at min salary if they get another contract.

* not Grant, Griffin
 
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4) Or maybe Grant just liked one of the incoming players more than Felix. Two of the players that they brought in were front court players, so Grant did mange to trade small for big, which is often hard to do. Doesn't seem likely, because all the players that came in will likely be playing at min salary if they get another contract.


Did he now? :chuckle:
 
I always thought the Utah trade was done to possibly facilitate the Love trade. Minny has not made it a secret that they wanted to unload JJ Barea's guaranteed deal. Guessing the move was made, just in case Minny wanted another sweetener for the Love trade.
 
How about using Motiejunas in our trade?
Trade one unguaranteed for him than trade Motiejunas and 2 remaining unguaranteed contracts for u know Mozgov.
Motiejunas has 1.483.920 as team option. Rockets also has 16 guaranteed contracts so one of them will go. He'll either get traded or waived unless they waive someone else.
A package of 2 unguaranteed and a 7 foot pf with a post game is better than 3 unguaranteed contracts. That's for sure also they can waive him anyway.
While Denver's any of the bigs: Faried, JJ, Mozzy, Arthur, Mcgee, Jokic, Nurkic-A FUCKING 7 MAN BİG ROTATION can play on the post; a trade of 2 unguaranteed contracts which they unload some of that $74,015,45 while luxury tax is arround $76m and they get a post playin big for 1.5m.
Doesn't it make sense?
 
I always thought the Utah trade was done to possibly facilitate the Love trade. Minny has not made it a secret that they wanted to unload JJ Barea's guaranteed deal. Guessing the move was made, just in case Minny wanted another sweetener for the Love trade.

This is what Marc Stein thought at the time of the trade. But I think by July 22nd (the date of the Utah trade) the basic framework of the Love deal was agreed upon, and that framework didn't include the Cavs having to take back Barea. However, it's possible that they were acquired to take back Corey Brewer, who was rumored to be part of the deal at certain points. But soon after July 22nd, it became clear that the Cavs would be able to sign Marion, which obviated the need for Brewer. The Utah guys could also have been insurance in case it became necessary to take back Barea to get Love.

If all else failed, Griffin may well have thought he could get something out of the 3 contracts at least as good as Felix and a late second rounder. It's also possible he preferred Murphy and/or Thomas to Felix, but MoFlo's insistence that the 3 Utah guys won't make the team makes me feel this is not the case.
 
The 2nd-year (2014-2015) of Felix's contract is guaranteed but I believe the other two years ended up being non-guaranteed after some confusion about it at first.

That trade doesn't seem to have quite panned out yet for either team.

The Cavs could use a young, developmental, defensive-minded wing. Not saying he's the answer. But...
 
The 2nd-year (2014-2015) of Felix's contract is guaranteed but I believe the other two years ended up being non-guaranteed after some confusion about it at first.

That trade doesn't seem to have quite panned out yet for either team.

The Cavs could use a young, developmental, defensive-minded wing. Not saying he's the answer. But...

Meh, I'd honestly rather have the trade exception that we ended up acquiring.
 
I hadn't followed him during pre-season, but apparently Felix missed most of it due to a shoulder injury, so I am starting to detect a pattern. Utah filled Felix's spot by claiming Jordan Hamilton off waivers, so their move does make some sense, despite Felix's guaranteed salary.

I thought Felix projected well as a defensive minded role player who can rebound and has a nose for the ball, but in view of his injury history and overall lack of skill, I can understand if the Cavs aren't interested.
 

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