Cleveland Browns @ Oakland Raiders (10/16/11; 4:05 p.m.)

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Switching teams, does this mean you have given up on Braxton Miller too? He surely hasn't shown anything in his first however many games that he is capable of being the guy at Ohio State for the next 3 and half years. Of course, I find it silly to make that decision so soon.

I agree with Doug. Give Colt the entire season before deciding he can't cut it.

We don't have a choice with Colt. It's either him, Seneca, or Lewis. But right now he is showing he can't hack it as "the guy".

 

[Triplethreat]

If we have a chance to land a true franchise quarterback we need to go ahead and do it. We've been half-assing the position ever since Tim Couch left.

There is one quarterback that I think is going to be a "Franchise Guy" in this draft, and thats Andrew Luck, and he is the only QB I would take in the first round.

 

[Rich]

Well, personally, I have been very impressed by Braxton Miller's running. Still, not a terrible analogy ... I guess ....

Anyways, I too believe Colt needs to be given the whole season, but like GSM I can already tell you he isn't going to pan out.

Well unless Ohio State plans on running the triple-option the next few years, that's not going to cut it.

Anyway, the Browns have either the worst or second worst group of WRs in football. It's a new coach, and he's 5 games in. And some teams manage to win w/o a franchise QB. At the very least, the Browns don't have a QB who loses the game for them (see Rex Grossman). How about the Steelers when in Roethlisbergers rookie season? He didn't look franchise that season or the next. Yet they win the super bowl in season 2, even though he was simply handing the ball off. Now, that was because they had an elite defense and an elite running game, which gets me to my point. The Browns have far greater needs than the QB position. If, somehow, Luck falls into their lap, take him. But, if it's a choice between Robert Griffin and the best offensive lineman on the board, you take the lineman. You don't draft another QB and put him in a talentless situation in which he has no receivers to throw to and a poor line blocking for him.

I just think people are way to hard on McCoy for it being his second season and only 5 games under a new coach. Let me give a statisitcal comparison:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT -Guy X
103 195 1,170 52.8 6.00 3 68 2 3 72.0

121 217 1,199 55.8 5.53 8 56 3 2 78.1 -McCoy

Guy X would be Sam Bradford. Second year, on a bad football team that has absolutely no useful WRs whatsoever, and he's struggling. A lot. Yet, no one seems to think the Rams need a change at QB. No one is ready to give up on him yet. Certainly no one talking about trading up in the draft to get Luck (assuming they don't get the 1st pick).

EDIT: Eh, stats wouldn't line up. Let me sum up by saying McCoy is having a better season no matter how you measure it than Sam Bradford.

 

[SauDogg]

The only way I would be comfortable taking a QB in the the first round is if H&H personally guarantee that he'll be a franchise QB. Even then I would be very nervous.

 

[Chris]

Well unless Ohio State plans on running the triple-option the next few years, that's not going to cut it.

Freshman QB starts in 4-5 games and we're concluding he sucks because he hasn't been passing very well at all. Never mind the fact that our offense calls so few passing plays it's ridiculous.

 

[Chris]

Well unless Ohio State plans on running the triple-option the next few years, that's not going to cut it.

Anyway, the Browns have either the worst or second worst group of WRs in football. It's a new coach, and he's 5 games in. And some teams manage to win w/o a franchise QB. At the very least, the Browns don't have a QB who loses the game for them (see Rex Grossman). How about the Steelers when in Roethlisbergers rookie season? He didn't look franchise that season or the next. Yet they win the super bowl in season 2, even though he was simply handing the ball off. Now, that was because they had an elite defense and an elite running game, which gets me to my point. The Browns have far greater needs than the QB position. If, somehow, Luck falls into their lap, take him. But, if it's a choice between Robert Griffin and the best offensive lineman on the board, you take the lineman. You don't draft another QB and put him in a talentless situation in which he has no receivers to throw to and a poor line blocking for him.

I just think people are way to hard on McCoy for it being his second season and only 5 games under a new coach. Let me give a statisitcal comparison:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT -Guy X
103 195 1,170 52.8 6.00 3 68 2 3 72.0

121 217 1,199 55.8 5.53 8 56 3 2 78.1 -McCoy

Guy X would be Sam Bradford. Second year, on a bad football team that has absolutely no useful WRs whatsoever, and he's struggling. A lot. Yet, no one seems to think the Rams need a change at QB. No one is ready to give up on him yet. Certainly no one talking about trading up in the draft to get Luck (assuming they don't get the 1st pick).

EDIT: Eh, stats wouldn't line up. Let me sum up by saying McCoy is having a better season no matter how you measure it than Sam Bradford.

The main problem is he's a 3rd rounder with few physical skills to begin with. If he was a top draft pick anointed with all the physical skills you want a QB to have, I think people would be giving him more breathing room.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Its amazing how fast Quinn was ran out of town, but people will continue to make excuses for this marginally better turd QB. And btw, the Bradford example is pretty dumb. Bradford was #1 pick and is owed a lot of guaranteed money. And our receivers are The Greatest Show on Turf compared to the Rams. Danny Amendola was the best WR on the Rams before he got hurt. Thats just friggin sad.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

Well unless Ohio State plans on running the triple-option the next few years, that's not going to cut it.

Anyway, the Browns have either the worst or second worst group of WRs in football. It's a new coach, and he's 5 games in. And some teams manage to win w/o a franchise QB. At the very least, the Browns don't have a QB who loses the game for them (see Rex Grossman). How about the Steelers when in Roethlisbergers rookie season? He didn't look franchise that season or the next. Yet they win the super bowl in season 2, even though he was simply handing the ball off. Now, that was because they had an elite defense and an elite running game, which gets me to my point. The Browns have far greater needs than the QB position. If, somehow, Luck falls into their lap, take him. But, if it's a choice between Robert Griffin and the best offensive lineman on the board, you take the lineman. You don't draft another QB and put him in a talentless situation in which he has no receivers to throw to and a poor line blocking for him.

I just think people are way to hard on McCoy for it being his second season and only 5 games under a new coach. Let me give a statisitcal comparison:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT -Guy X
103 195 1,170 52.8 6.00 3 68 2 3 72.0

121 217 1,199 55.8 5.53 8 56 3 2 78.1 -McCoy

Guy X would be Sam Bradford. Second year, on a bad football team that has absolutely no useful WRs whatsoever, and he's struggling. A lot. Yet, no one seems to think the Rams need a change at QB. No one is ready to give up on him yet. Certainly no one talking about trading up in the draft to get Luck (assuming they don't get the 1st pick).

EDIT: Eh, stats wouldn't line up. Let me sum up by saying McCoy is having a better season no matter how you measure it than Sam Bradford.

Sam Bradford blows too. If the Rams were lucky enough to get the first pick, I guarantee they take Luck.

 

[DougHeil]

Sam Bradford blows too. If the Rams were lucky enough to get the first pick, I guarantee they take Luck.

Naw. Bradford is in pretty much in the same position McCoy is in. A BAD team around him. I'm really not sure how the QB is blamed the most on both teams. Both those QB's need more time and much bigger sample size before passing judgment on them.

 

[AZ_]

A bad team around him?

Steven Jackson, Mike Sims-Walker, a couple of young talented WRs.

Now Brandon Lloyd.

He's got a team....Colt has a team too.

Look at some of those throws yesterday, it's complete bullshit to call out his team for some of that stuff. And McCoy would probably be the first to admit it too.

 

[chrisrich91]

There is one quarterback that I think is going to be a "Franchise Guy" in this draft, and thats Andrew Luck, and he is the only QB I would take in the first round.

Dude, come on. Of course the only surefire "Franchise Guy" you see in this draft is Andrew Luck. Any sure thing "Franchise Guy" is going to go #1 in the draft. Drafting a QB in the first round is a risk unless you're #1, and I don't see ourselves drafting first overall anytime soon. Time to take a stab at the position in what looks to be a nice field of QBs.

Your plan is to add talent elsewhere and wait for a "Franchise Guy" to fall to our first round pick, which will not happen. You're just postponing the inevitable. And don't give me that "build an environment for the QB to succeed first" argument, because if we don't have a QB, this organization will never develop into a strong environment. Plus, look at Cam Newton in Carolina. Most people didn't think he was worth the 1st overall pick, and look what he's been doing with that heap of shit surrounding him in Carolina. A legit QB that you can build around will find a way to succeed no matter his situation.

Take the best QB on the board and if he's garbage, do it again until you find one that sticks. That's enough treading water.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

I think Bradford is fine. The problem is the Rams have swung and missed a ton over the years in the draft.

 

[Phills14]

I agree that if McCoy is not the answer going forward this is the best year to get a QB in the 1st round. There are a number of good options including by most accounts the best prospect to come around in the last 13 years. You have 2 first rounders. We found something really good with Taylor in the late first round, I would think we can do so again and use our pick on that QB of the future.

I'd hate to say go get a QB but if McCoy proves over the next 11 games he's not the answer, you have to do it this year. No sense in waiting unless the guys you want aren't available for when you pick.

 

[bubba52782]

I think Bradford is fine. The problem is the Rams have swung and missed a ton over the years in the draft.

As opposed to Cleveland?

 

[DaNewCavs]

I just want the BAP regardless of position. If it turns out to be a QB then go get him. I do not want them to waste a 1st round pick on a third round talent. Too many times, this team has reached for a player to fill a need instead of just getting the best available player.