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Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

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So no one knows nothing.

Good, I like surprises on occasion.
 
Spectre said:
Josh Allen sized surprises?
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Chris said:
Meanwhile, Klemco, the guy whose job it is to literally follow Mayfield around and be embedded with him, says Mayfield going to the Browns would be shocking, he'd be on the floor if that happened, and "people close to Mayfield do not expect that at all."

:chuckle: Silly season folks!!!
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This may have been the worst silly season of them all yet. This whole thing where the draft discussion drags-on for months is a drag.
 
Lee said:
Stafford doesnt really count, his career average was 57, but he improved accuracy every year to end over 60% at 61.4.

Allen didnt improve from year 1 to year 2.

Its Favre and probably another player i am forgetting, but its not Stafford who i am missing.
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One thing Allen started doing and did a lot more of this last year was have the maturity to throw the ball out of play and not force it into coverage. The year before he would try and make the difficult play or take a sack and not think about field position. Plus it also made his incompletion rate go up. I think that working with Palmer and going to the Manning Academy helped him to become better. Even though the stats don't show it. Allen took what the defense gave him. He definitely played a lot more conservative , which was good and bad. And I would say three of those picks came off of hitting a receiver in the hands, or the receiver tipping the ball up while trying to catch it. During the year I kept thinking the coaching staff had this once in a lifetime qb fall into their hands and they don't build an offense around him. They just used a run first offense and put him into bad situations on third down where it was a no win situation for him. For some silly reason I thought the staff would have seen that Allen had the chance to do something special and they could put him in a better situation to succeed.

They decided to keep on course and keep installing their system and winning culture in at Wyoming. I can't blame the staff for that but it does amaze me that they can find quarterbacks like they do, and keep nurturing them to the point NFL people are drafting them high. If they manage to get one more quarterback drafted high in the next 6 years, one will have to figure it is not a fluke with them. Our offense is the eqivalent of the Virginia basketball team this last year. A team that plays hard nosed defense but plods along on offense, and grinds a game out with mostly running plays or pass plays. Plays that consist of vertical throws downfield to try and get 3rd and long for a first down. None of the other 5 quarterbacks being considered for the first round had to play out of a system that used the quarterback as a tool to manage game clock. Their offenses were geared to score at a quick pace. Which was frowned on at Wyoming unless we were down by two scores or more. I have wondered how they find good quarterbacks to play in a run first theme. If I was a quarterback that was looking to play at the next level it wouldn't be with an offense that was geared like Wyoming's is. The only thing worse would be an option team.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
We dont have to worry about this, though. There are never touchdowns at First Energy Stadium.

@Lee that's the dadliest joke I could think of buddy.
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To be fair, there are plenty of touchdowns at First Energy, just none are scored by the Browns.
 
CBBI said:
Bad comparison.

Stafford actually showed improvement year over year in college. He went from 52.7% as a freshman to 55.7% as a sophomore to a perfectly respectable above the baseline of 61.4% as a junior.

And even with those improvements, it still took Stafford seven years in the NFL to finally crack 65%.
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It is not just about completion percentage when evaluating a quarterback. It is the team and system he goes to. For you guys that are tied up with stats all the time, you will never get past it unless it supports your agenda. Stafford went to one of the losingest teams ever, on par with the Browns, because both of them can't get a draft right to save their ass. I would rather have Stafford than anyone the Browns have had in that same time period. A harsh truth.
 
Midwestcav said:
It is not just about completion percentage when evaluating a quarterback. It is the team and system he goes to. For you guys that are tied up with stats all the time, you will never get past it unless it supports your agenda. Stafford went to one of the losingest teams ever, on par with the Browns, because both of them can't get a draft right to save their ass. I would rather have Stafford than anyone the Browns have had in that same time period. A harsh truth.
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I would agree about having stafford, but stafford played in the SEC and improved his completion percentage significantly each of the 3 years he played.

Stat guys would not compare Allen to Stafford.

Best comparison is Drew Bledsoe or Brett Favre. Obviously all of us would love for Allen to turn into Favre. Thing is these are the exception to low completion strong armed college qb's not the rule.

Allen is a huge risk. But he is a boom or best type prospect, one I personally do not believe is worth the risk of the first pick. Typically this type of risk at qb is early 2nd.

Brees and Favre are examples of flawed college prospect QB's who were taken in the early 2nd that worked out to HOF careers. So I am not saying there is no way Josh Allen will be good, i am just saying that based on historical data, there is a lower chance of him being good than Rosen. But if Allen is good, there is a very good chance he will be great. But I just rather not gamble as much on the pick and go with Rosen who is the safest bet, not the highest ceiling.
 
Alex, give me quarterbacks for 800... 386 passing yards, 27 for 35, 3 touchdowns, and no turnovers against one of the best defenses on the road who will have a cornerback and a d lineman drafted in the first round. "Who is Baker Mayfield and his numbers against Ohio State last season". Correct!

The best thing about this pick would be how it would piss off all these football gurus. How dare the Browns actually draft the best quarterback in this draft.
 
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