Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[CommD]

Brady may have let Bill know his true intentions.

 

[CommD]

Browns should make BUF an offer on Taylor. (4th Round pick +).

 

[Triplethreat]

Garoppolo's market value hasn't changed at all, if a team is desperate enough to give the Pats a 2nd rounder he'll be traded.

#12 and "whatever else they want" is a mind-numbingly bad overpay.

Sure it is.. To you.

To me it's a fair price to pay for a guy I believe to be a FQB.

EDIT: Also, if you don't think giving up a mid-first round pick and maybe a 4th or conditional pick to solve our QB problem that's lasted 17 years now then you really must be content to continue to head down the same franchise trajectory we've been on for those 17 years.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

#12 and "whatever else they want" is a mind-numbingly bad overpay.

Sure it is.. To you.
To me it's a fair price to pay for a guy I believe to be a FQB.

How can "whatever else they want" be a "fair price"??

 

[CosmoKramer]

Off by a round, and at least five teams are without question desperate for a quarterback. I'm going to go ahead and suggest that of the NFL world outside of three posters on RCF and a handful of Browns fans are saying the same market value... it's time to explore outside of the bubble.

What NFL world are you speaking of?

Anyone legitimately plugged in to an NFL team isn't leaking how much they actually value Garoppolo, so we're left with the dipshit local media members spewing whatever bullshit they're fed.

Our own Mary Kay is advocating trading the #1 overall pick for him, someone in Cincinnati is convincing their fans AJ McCarron is netting them a 2nd round pick, and since November Pats' fans have been getting fed article after article about how hard it'd be to pry Garoppolo away from NE.

It's all just bullshit click bait.

So even though the NFL world is convinced Garoppolo's market value is sky high and NE is holding onto him, I don't believe a smidge of it. They invested a late 2nd/early 3rd to acquire him, they'll move him for a similar price before he's an UFA next year and he can walk for nothing.

 

[Triplethreat]

How can "whatever else they want" be a "fair price"??

"Whatever else they want" is referring to previous reports of wanting a "first and a fourth".

I'd go as high as offer #12 and conditional pick that can rise to a second rounder in the coming years based on performance. Or a 3rd. "Whatever else they want" was just a shitty way of saying that I guess.

 

[Chris]

Sure it is.. To you.

To me it's a fair price to pay for a guy I believe to be a FQB.

EDIT: Also, if you don't think giving up a mid-first round pick and maybe a 4th or conditional pick to solve our QB problem that's lasted 17 years now then you really must be content to continue to head down the same franchise trajectory we've been on for those 17 years.

If you think he's a franchise QB, yes, I'm fine with it.

Problem is a lot of people are skeptical about it. He's far from a sure thing. It's a gamble.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Sure it is.. To you.

To me it's a fair price to pay for a guy I believe to be a FQB.

EDIT: Also, if you don't think giving up a mid-first round pick and maybe a 4th or conditional pick to solve our QB problem that's lasted 17 years now then you really must be content to continue to head down the same franchise trajectory we've been on for those 17 years.

Is that a joke? Garoppolo's thrown 63 passes as a starter, that's no where close enough to be convinced he's a franchise quarterback.

For Christ sakes, the Redskins have seen Cousins attempt 1500+ passes with a couple above-average seasons and there's still people in that front office not convinced he's a franchise guy.

Absolutely ridiculous to even mention Garoppolo as a FQB right now.

 

[bob2the2nd]

How can "whatever else they want" be a "fair price"??

Isnt that his point. That its ridiculous give the pats whatever they want, just because they are asking for it.

At the end of the day its clear the pats arent getting nearly as much interest in him as they wanted. So why should the browns pick now to give up a kings ransom?

 

[Triplethreat]

Is that a joke? Garoppolo's thrown 63 passes as a starter, that's no where close enough to be convinced he's a franchise quarterback.

For Christ sakes, the Redskins have seen Cousins attempt 1500+ passes with a couple above-average seasons and there's still people in that front office not convinced he's a franchise guy.

Absolutely ridiculous to even mention Garoppolo as a FQB right now.

Really? But it's completely okay to mention a QB coming right out of college as an FQB? Who's never thrown a pass in the NFL?

Based on that statement it would be absolutely pointless to spend any high draft capital on a QB because "who knows" if they'll be an FQB there's not enough tape on them playing in the NFL yet..

This board is so delusional if everyone thinks the Patriots are just going to let us come in and set a price point for a player they clearly really like. A player who is also the best option at the position this entire off-season almost unquestionably. I mean tuned in NFL people are saying the same things about Jimmy that have been stated here for quite a while now.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Based on that statement it would be absolutely pointless to spend any high draft capital on a QB because "who knows" if they'll be an FQB there's not enough tape on them playing in the NFL yet.

No, that's not true at all. First, neither Garrapolo nor anyone coming right out of the college is a "franchise QB". Some guys have demonstrated, to varying degrees, the potential to be one, but it's not a certainty for any of them. So when you say "Garrapolo is an FQB", no he isn't. That would be like calling Garrett an "All-Pro defensive end". He's not. Not yet, anyway. Value is based on how likely you believe it is that someone will be a FQB.

Second, the concern with Garrapolo is that he's only 63 passes away from being the guy whom the entire NFL passed on in the first round, which occurred after watching him throw more than 1500 passes in college. So the very legitimate question is this -- are 63 passes while playing for the best team in football enough to completely erase what was seen by the prior 1500+? That's why people are skeptical.

In contrast, a guy like Luck was considered the consensus No.1 overall pick based on the more than 1000 passes he threw in college. There was a much more extended period of high performance against high-level competition than we've had the opportunity to see with Garrapolo.

This board is so delusional if everyone thinks the Patriots are just going to let us come in and set a price point for a player they clearly really like.

I don't think there is a single person here who thinks that the Browns alone determine the price point. It's the entire league that does that. And if the Pats don't want to sell him, they won't. They can franchise him next year if they really want to keep him that badly.

 

[sportscoach]

Really? But it's completely okay to mention a QB coming right out of college as an FQB? Who's never thrown a pass in the NFL?

Based on that statement it would be absolutely pointless to spend any high draft capital on a QB because "who knows" if they'll be an FQB there's not enough tape on them playing in the NFL yet..

This board is so delusional if everyone thinks the Patriots are just going to let us come in and set a price point for a player they clearly really like. A player who is also the best option at the position this entire off-season almost unquestionably. I mean tuned in NFL people are saying the same things about Jimmy that have been stated here for quite a while now.

Most of us agree that we shouldn't use a the 1st nor the 12th on a QB in this draft and we almost all feel they are project QBs in this draft with upside. My QB grade for guys are late 1st-early second round, so none are come in guys like Luck, Ryan they all need time.

I am also not willing to give up to much for a guy who is under contract for one more season as well. Even if he has franchise potential, we will only have him one season before we would have to pay him starter money or let him go. He has proven nothing in the NFL so he is equal in my mind to anyone in the draft, so if the Patriots laugh at an offer of like 33 by itself then he isn't worth getting since he isn't worth more than that.

I mean Kirk Cousins a few years ago no one offered above a 4th round for him though I wanted to offer a second round, which is what Washington wanted (looking back we drafted Manziel so hindsight said my offer was smarter) but for now we aren't going above a certain offer and if the Patriots want to keep him then that is their choice.

 

[Triplethreat]

No, that's not true at all. First, neither Garrapolo nor anyone coming right out of the college is a "franchise QB". Some guys have demonstrated, to varying degrees, the potential to be one, but it's not a certainty for any of them. So when you say "Garrapolo is an FQB", no he isn't. That would be like calling Garrett an "All-Pro defensive end". He's not. Not yet, anyway. Value is based on how likely you believe it is that someone will be a FQB.

Second, the concern with Garrapolo is that he's only 63 passes away from being the guy whom the entire NFL passed on in the first round, which occurred after watching him throw more than 1500 passes in college. So the very legitimate question is this -- are 63 passes while playing for the best team in football enough to completely erase what was seen by the prior 1500+? That's why people are skeptical.

In contrast, a guy like Luck was considered the consensus No.1 overall pick based on the more than 1000 passes he threw in college. There was a much more extended period of high performance against high-level competition than we've had the opportunity to see with Garrapolo.



I don't think there is a single person here who thinks that the Browns alone determine the price point. It's the entire league that does that. And if the Pats don't want to sell him, they won't. They can franchise him next year if they really want to keep him that badly.

You can be skeptical all you want. I'm just telling you what my eyes see when it comes to what I've watched with Garrappolo, as well as a lot of well tuned people across the NFL. There is more tape than just the 63 passes, like stated earlier he's taken a lot of pre-season reps and has looked very strong then as well. You can clearly see he has the ability to get through reads quickly and process information on the field, an attribute that's not found often.

At some point the Browns are going to have to take a chance on a QB they think can be a franchise changing guy. When the hell is it? Are we supposed to sit here and wait for the next Luck-level prospect and just hope we've made no improvement since now so we're in a position to draft him, or that the team at the top of the draft already has a FQB so we can use our draft capital to try and trade up for him? That sounds like a lot of "if's". I for one am not interested whatsoever in the sit and wait approach if I believe we can address the problem now.

Garrappolo is widely considered the best QB available this off-season despite his small sample size, and giving up the 12th pick plus a 4th rounder doesn't really seem like that steep of a price for me. Especially considering if we don't we're likely spending a top 5 pick on a QB next season, or worse, taking/signing another guy available this off-season only to be stuck in limbo again for another 3 years waiting to see if it pans out.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You can be skeptical all you want. I'm just telling you what my eyes see when it comes to what I've watched with Garrappolo, as well as a lot of well tuned people across the NFL. There is more tape than just the 63 passes, like stated earlier he's taken a lot of pre-season reps and has looked very strong then as well. You can clearly see he has the ability to get through reads quickly and process information on the field, an attribute that's not found often.

And we also have no idea how he'd play after teams adjust to him. That's a big deal.

At some point the Browns are going to have to take a chance on a QB they think can be a franchise changing guy. When the hell is it? Are we supposed to sit here and wait for the next Luck-level prospect and just hope we've made no improvement since now so we're in a position to draft him, or that the team at the top of the draft already has a FQB so we can use our draft capital to try and trade up for him?

It's not a question of requiring a Luck-level prospect. But you can't simply say "Garrapolo (may be) better than any of those guys, therefore we should be willing to pay a high-first round pick plus for him", because you are failing to discount for the fact that he's only under contract for this year. That's a major disadvantage compared to everyone else in the draft.

Garrappolo is widely considered the best QB available this off-season despite his small sample size, and giving up the 12th pick plus a 4th rounder doesn't really seem like that steep of a price for me.

Fine -- that's how you feel. And there are more than enough people writing about the NFL that it is easy to find a few whose opinion matches yours. But the simple truth is this -- if this was as much a no-brainer as you seem to think, and everyone "plugged in" agreed with your opinion, and it was only us RCF rubes who disagreed, then some team higher than us in the draft already would have traded for him so as not to let this "deal of a lifetime" go to someone else.

But curiously, that hasn't happened yet. I wonder why.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The only way New England truly won't put Garoppolo on the trade block is if Brady has intimated to the organization that this season will be his last no matter what. It's a possibility, and the organization would be doing the right thing by letting Brady announce such a thing himself.

Outside of that, Belichick has a track record when it comes to maximizing assets and maximizing the draft. This is playing out to be one of two possibilities: Belichick maximizing the leverage between five teams (at least) in need of a starting-ready quarterback or Garoppolo takes over next year in New England.

But make no mistake, the interest level of the Browns is being reported by national journalists. We have seen several tweets by Joe Thomas regarding both interest in a seasoned QB and now Garoppolo by name. Like the interest from the Browns or don't like the interest, but signs point to interest being there.