Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Joe Henderson]

Scenario I was thinking about. Sexton has much more value now then three months ago around the nba. If the Cavs land the second pick and take Morant; Would you think about packaging the Houston pick with Sexton if you are really high on another prospect in this draft in the 4 to 8 range?
I would probably say no because I am not as of today super high on any player having super star potential after the top 3 are gone, but I wonder if the Cavs consider doing it?
Would a team give up a pick in the top 8 for him?

I would probably want to see Sexton and Morant for a full year and see if it works, but just food for thought.

Look at it this way... what are the chances of picking someone as good as Sexton or better at those spots? I'd say not great. We've discussed the history of players in that range and the returns aren't great. Plus, as you mentioned, there does seem to be quite a steep drop-off after the first 3-4 in this draft.

I'd look at it this way: if they FO thinks Morant is clearly a tier above Barrett and maybe Culver, then pick him and figure the rest of it out later. If this means sucking another year or having to trade one of them later, do it, but hopefully for something better than a middling lottery pick.

If the difference is marginal or difficult to project, then take RJ and plug him in, he's a great theoretical fit in the lineup already.

 

[Bill Walton.]

One of the interesting implications of the article is that his usage rate is pretty high and his assist ratio is extremely low for that rate. I dont have the data but it seems to suggest that the increase in his assist numbers may well be attributed to his high usage rate.

I brought up his usage rate a while ago. His assists are a serious problem because he should have more than what he does. I was hard on him about his scoring early and he significantly improved, so he can still improve.

Also, continuing to play devil’s advocate, it’s not like we have many catch and shoot players like we did with LeBron. Also, a big portion of his sample area came with Love out of the lineup, where he was the main option on offense, and despite low assists numbers, he has still been getting roughly 4 a night. Granted, it’s a low number. I think there’s problem areas but he’s won me over enough to keep paying attention.

I’m still worried about the #2 pick. I would prefer Ja over Collin but think having both is a problem. If you’re going to go with a Collin he deserves the run the offense and have his chance at production running an offense. Drafting Ja negates that. If we draft Ja I want the ball in his hands running point and Ja and Collin don’t work as a starting back court.

 

[Bill Walton.]

Scenario I was thinking about. Sexton has much more value now then three months ago around the nba. If the Cavs land the second pick and take Morant; Would you think about packaging the Houston pick with Sexton if you are really high on another prospect in this draft in the 4 to 8 range?
I would probably say no because I am not as of today super high on any player having super star potential after the top 3 are gone, but I wonder if the Cavs consider doing it?
Would a team give up a pick in the top 8 for him?

I would probably want to see Sexton and Morant for a full year and see if it works, but just food for thought.

It works offensively because they actually compliment each other very well. Ja plays the all around job while Collin benefits and scores. It takes the pressure off Collin to create on offense. Also Ja looks like he is still raw on offense especially from deep where Collin has been so good.

Defensively? I hate it. Not to mention you’re kinda short changing Collin as a point guard and essentially giving up on him as your future PG. you could toy with bringing him off the bench but I’m sure Collin wouldn’t like it

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Surefire all star.

 

[1B4IGO]

I frequently mistype Sexton as Sextron. So what’s that? Is it like fornicating decepticons or something?

It could be you have a subconscious desire to sleep with pirates rrrr.

 

[Bulldog2Buckeye]

Kind of crazy how good these past few rookie classes have been. We are talking about Sexton maybe, potentially, being a 1st team rookie because of injuries to others this year when in previous years he’d be getting votes for ROY. Imagine him in MCW’s rookie class, Collin would probably win unanimously

 

[I'mWithDan]

Scenario I was thinking about. Sexton has much more value now then three months ago around the nba. If the Cavs land the second pick and take Morant; Would you think about packaging the Houston pick with Sexton if you are really high on another prospect in this draft in the 4 to 8 range?
I would probably say no because I am not as of today super high on any player having super star potential after the top 3 are gone, but I wonder if the Cavs consider doing it?
Would a team give up a pick in the top 8 for him?

I would probably want to see Sexton and Morant for a full year and see if it works, but just food for thought.

I’d only trade Collin in a draft day swap if it meant getting Zion. Beyond that, the Cavs have completely exceeded expectations on a #8 draft slot and should be very careful what they do with that new found asset value. I don’t think another swing at a prospect would be a wise use of that asset surplus......if they could trade it for a more certain outcome (Zion or a young AS) sure.

At this point, I think Collin has played himself in to a position where he should be, at minimum, given consideration when making our next selection. Not necessarily built around yet but Morant makes less sense seeing Collin’s sustained scoring and efficiency improvement. Thankfully, the available players on the wing are relatively good matches from a skill set standpoint, given their defensive versatility and complimentary playmaking skills.

 

[Cavatt]

I’d only trade Collin in a draft day swap if it meant getting Zion. Beyond that, the Cavs have completely exceeded expectations on a #8 draft slot and should be very careful what they do with that new found asset value. I don’t think another swing at a prospect would be a wise use of that asset surplus......if they could trade it for a more certain outcome (Zion or a young AS) sure.

At this point, I think Collin has played himself in to a position where he should be, at minimum, given consideration when making our next selection. Not necessarily built around yet but Morant makes less sense seeing Collin’s sustained scoring and efficiency improvement. Thankfully, the available players on the wing are relatively good matches from a skill set standpoint, given their defensive versatility and complimentary playmaking skills.

I think after 4 unless you get a sleeper is going to be a worse player than Sexton. He would go 5 at latest in this draft.

 

[2 For The Brew]

We don't know what we have yet with Sexton. Foolish in the extreme to trade him unless someone makes us an offer we can't refuse -- which is extremely unlikely.

Draft the best player available -- don't care about position.

 

[I'mWithDan]

One other point, don’t ignore the rise Sexton has experienced over the last 36 months

• Unranked High School Recruit
• Late invite to team USA
• Takes home MVP after tryout spot win
• Follows it up with EYBL scoring record
• Becomes a 5-star recruit 6 months later
• Stars at Alabama and nearly beats a team 3 on 5
• Selected in the lottery graveyard and looks clueless early on
• Makes in season shot selection changes, completely unheard of and goes from inefficient chucker to 3 PT marksman
• Busts through rookie wall and is getting better, at 20, the further he gets in to his rookie season

Who the hell even knows what is possible when looking at how far he’s come and with comments like the Cavs wanting him to find a hobby because he is so obsessed with basketball.

The one just completely unforeseen development is his shooting. In 8 months, it has shifted his prospect profile from "ball dominant chucker who constantly needs the ball to provide value" to a player that provides scoring juice on the ball but can also be a plus off the ball spacer with a deadly knock down stroke. That's a really nice player type to pair with someone like Culver, if possible. A lock down defender with point forward ability and additionally, secondary scoring off the ball.

 

[2 For The Brew]

One other point, don’t ignore the rise Sexton has experienced over the last 36 months

• Unranked High School Recruit
• Late invite to team USA
• Takes home MVP after tryout spot win
• Follows it up with EYBL scoring record
• Becomes a 5-star recut 6 months later
• Stars at Alabama and nearly beats a team 3 on 5
• Selected in the lottery graveyard and looks clueless early on
• Makes in season shot selection changes, completely unheard of and goes from inefficient chucker to 3 PT marksman
• Busts through rookie wall and is getting better, at 20, the further he gets in to his rookie season

Who the hell even knows what is possible when looking at how far he’s come and with comments like the Cavs wanting him to find a hobby because he is so obsessed with basketball.

The one just completely unforeseen development is his shooting. In 8 months, it has shifted his prospect profile from "ball dominant chucker who constantly needs the ball to provide value" to a player that provides scoring juice on the ball but can also be a plus off the ball spacer with a deadly knock down stroke. That's a really nice player type to pair with someone like Culver, if possible. A lock down defender with point forward ability and additionally, secondary scoring off the ball.

I can't rep this post enough. He's still pretty raw in several areas but he's come a long way under less-than-ideal conditions. Watching Collin is like watching a toddler grow up quickly -- every day they learn something new. I really don't want to miss his games because he has a way of showing something new with growing confidence.

 

[Alec]

I can’t believe Collin Sexton will be an elite scorer if he isn’t already. Mind blown.

 

[Jake]

I'd rest him some although I think he wants to play and is enjoying it more now. It is exciting to see his progress but we don't need any type of injury. Think Nurkic; one second all is good, then bam. idk. I'd rest Cedi and Love too.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Collin will be on the late night SportsCenter @ 1 am with Stan Verrett. Didn’t make sense until I realized they are in LA for their game against the Clippers tomorrow.

 

[avs2000]

One other point, don’t ignore the rise Sexton has experienced over the last 36 months

• Unranked High School Recruit
• Late invite to team USA
• Takes home MVP after tryout spot win
• Follows it up with EYBL scoring record
• Becomes a 5-star recruit 6 months later
• Stars at Alabama and nearly beats a team 3 on 5
• Selected in the lottery graveyard and looks clueless early on
• Makes in season shot selection changes, completely unheard of and goes from inefficient chucker to 3 PT marksman
• Busts through rookie wall and is getting better, at 20, the further he gets in to his rookie season

Who the hell even knows what is possible when looking at how far he’s come and with comments like the Cavs wanting him to find a hobby because he is so obsessed with basketball.

The one just completely unforeseen development is his shooting. In 8 months, it has shifted his prospect profile from "ball dominant chucker who constantly needs the ball to provide value" to a player that provides scoring juice on the ball but can also be a plus off the ball spacer with a deadly knock down stroke. That's a really nice player type to pair with someone like Culver, if possible. A lock down defender with point forward ability and additionally, secondary scoring off the ball.

To get him with the 8th pick is a god send for a rebuild. Great job Koby !