Cops: Chiefs player kills woman, self

[A Squared]

Another 'big-issue' politically.

It's a valid question raised and I want to answer it from a perspective of someone who holds a CHL and carries often. What exactly, though, are you expecting? Do you want ALL guns to be banished - man...so would I, but it's NEVER going to happen as long as people exist (at least as we know them). So, in a perfect world, if he were NOT in possession of a handgun, do we think this incident wouldn't happen...or you're suggesting it may happen different - which is definitely warranted. However, the situation itself does not change. This decision was probably weeks, months, or even years in the making (but I'm only speculating). My point is that access to guns (whether or not he obtained them legally [apparently he did]) should not factor into incidents such as these. These types of scenarios happen all the time (murder) WITHOUT the use of guns. I understand you're undecided on gun control,...just 3 short years ago I had never even seen a gun in person (I was 25 at the time). I have learned that these TOOLS - and I genuinely want to point out that a fully loaded weapon is a tool until SOME PERSON decides to USE IT AS A WEAPON AGAINST A PERSON - are vital to the successful defense of a peaceful citizen....they don't call it the great equalizer for nothing. I choose not to rely on police as my first line of defense. I hope many of you do as well.

PS - I can propose that any incident where someone killed someone with a gun, the other person could have defended themselves with one. So, the idea that all guns being eliminated might be a novel idea, but it will never happen. You can also infuse as many what-if scenarios as you like....it will still not change my opinion that a peaceful human being should not protect him or herself, especially in this day and age.

Well personally, I think this world would be a much better place if all guns would cease to exist but since that is impossible, I am fine with people having guns for hunting and protection. There are many positives and unfortunately many negatives to making it legal to own a gun. The same goes for banning guns throughout the whole country. Its just unfortunate that things like this happen in our society. America has the highest murder rate in the world. While I do think that banning guns would lower that, the people that usually murder others would still find a way to get them or find other ways to murder people. I do think committing suicide would become a lot more difficult without guns, especially in this case. I feel really bad for their family, friends and their child who will be without both of their parents. Its just a sad situation.

 

[David.]

im sold, how do I get a gun?

 

[caf]

The original idea behind the right to bear arms was to prevent the government from having military control over its citizens. Times have changed which is why gun control is an issue now. However i support the right to bear arms. Living in Cincinnati i need something to defend myself with. Id rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

 

[Otsego Mar]

im sold, how do I get a gun?

first, you stop acting like a damn fool

 

[Otsego Mar]

Well personally, I think this world would be a much better place if all guns would cease to exist but since that is impossible, I am fine with people having guns for hunting and protection. There are many positives and unfortunately many negatives to making it legal to own a gun. The same goes for banning guns throughout the whole country. Its just unfortunate that things like this happen in our society. America has the highest murder rate in the world. While I do think that banning guns would lower that, the people that usually murder others would still find a way to get them or find other ways to murder people. I do think committing suicide would become a lot more difficult without guns, especially in this case. I feel really bad for their family, friends and their child who will be without both of their parents. Its just a sad situation.

Well said.

However, I think without guns, that mentality of the suicidal will still not be effected - actually I know it won't. Did you know that you can kill yourself with helium by inhaling it for a few minutes straight? Did you know there is no way to detect the cause of death when this is done?

My point.....society itself needs to change it's views - and more importantly its priorities (good parenting, being kind to others, etc) - before any real progress is going to be made.

 

[David.]

first, you stop acting like a damn fool

NO.

 

[A Squared]

Well said.

However, I think without guns, that mentality of the suicidal will still not be effected - actually I know it won't. Did you know that you can kill yourself with helium by inhaling it for a few minutes straight? Did you know there is no way to detect the cause of death when this is done?

My point.....society itself needs to change it's views - and more importantly its priorities (good parenting, being kind to others, etc) - before any real progress is going to be made.

I agree that people would still be able to kill themselves and society needs to change but in this case its not like he could have stood there and taken a bunch of pills, slashed his neck, or overdosed on helium. They would have had the chance to revive him. Guns provide an instantaneous death. While not having a gun might have changed his plan causing him to never go to the facility, it still provided a better chance at saving him in my opinion.

 

[David.]

if someone wants to kill themselves, they should be able to

 

[Otsego Mar]

I agree that people would still be able to kill themselves and society needs to change but in this case its not like he could have stood there and taken a bunch of pills, slashed his neck, or overdosed on helium. They would have had the chance to revive him. Guns provide an instantaneous death. While not having a gun might have changed his plan causing him to never go to the facility, it still provided a better chance at saving him in my opinion.

Agree until this point...then I can't say for sure. My example of helium might not be the exactly definition of a 'kill-shot' and it might not be quick....but there are other ways that I'm simply not going to get into.

That 'better chance' is only looking at it superficially, IMO. But I can see where the idea stems from.