Farewell, Timofey Mozgov

[Real Deal]

The block on Bosh though! Fucking ferocious and he was furious, he wanted that shit to count. He was eating good today. Talk of the town in the morning nonetheless.

 

[brandonbpm]

Honestly, I am blown away by Mozgov. When people wanted to get him and were happy about the trade, I was just "meh" about it, thinking it was a good move, but not a game-changer. Boy was I wrong. Before he joined this team, I just thought he was an average center, who just provides you with nice size to clog the lane, but now I see he is a beast. Rim protection, energy, team play, even a bit of an offensive game. He isn't gonna get into any All-star games, but his impact on this team has been unbelievable. I. Love. This. Guy.

 

[Jack Brickman]

You know it! Those 2 first rounders would be the next coming of Jimmy Butler and Larry Bird!

I mean, do you not think it would have been nice to have kept one of those firsts to facilitate another trade? Guys that could help us will inevitably always become available (see: Kanter, Enes), and having the assets to obtain them is never a bad thing.

I'm not saying I dislike Mozgov, because obviously his contributions to our team have been huge. I am saying that it would have been nice if we could have gotten him for one pick instead of two and had the other one to toss around in another trade to further improve our team. Packaging a pick with Haywood could have brought us back a pretty solid player.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

I mean, do you not think it would have been nice to have kept one of those firsts to facilitate another trade? Guys that could help us will inevitably always become available (see: Kanter, Enes), and having the assets to obtain them is never a bad thing.

I'm not saying I dislike Mozgov, because obviously his contributions to our team have been huge. I am saying that it would have been nice if we could have gotten him for one pick instead of two and had the other one to toss around in another trade to further improve our team. Packaging a pick with Haywood could have brought us back a pretty solid player.

I trust that the Cavs did everything their power to obtain him for one pick.

Realistically it looks like he may have been worth more than one pick (look at the center prospects left after him! - it's a wasteland) but maybe not quite two.

But rest assured that the Cavs tried.

 

[jyan_osu]

Technically it is one pick instead of 2.. I mean it's Dion Waiters, Alex Kirk, Lou Amundson, a second round out, and a first round out with Iman, Smith, Mosgov, and a second round pick in.

The Waiters trade happened on Jan 7th, the Mosgov trade happened on Jan 8th.

Would it have been better if you saw:

Cavs are in a four team trade with OKC, NY and Denver

Cavs got Mosgov, Iman, Smith, and a second round pick
OKC got Waiters
NY got Kirk, Amundson, Lance Thomas, a second round pick and 2 trade exceptions
Denver got 2 heavily protected first round picks, one from Cleveland and one from OKC

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

Technically it is one pick instead of 2.. I mean it's Dion Waiters, Alex Kirk, Lou Amundson, a second round out., a first round out with Iman, Smith, Mosgov, and a second round pick in

The Waiters trade happened on Jan 7th, the Mosgov trade happened on Jan 8th

Would it have been better if you saw

Cavs have a four team trade with OKC, NY and Denver

Cavs got Mosgov, Iman, Smith, and a second round pick
OKC got Waiters
NY got Kirk, Amundson, Lance Thomas, a second round pick and 2 trade exceptions
Denver got 2 heavily protected first round picks, one from Cleveland and one from OKC

Well yeah but the fact remains that after the Waiters trade we had two first rounders and traded both...that fact isn't changed by the fact that one of the first rounders was just acquired.

But yeah

 

[chuck0609]

Well yeah but the fact remains that after the Waiters trade we had two first rounders and traded both...that fact isn't changed by the fact that one of the first rounders was just acquired.

But yeah

They trade two heavily protected picks for a starting Center to make a championship run.

This guy is the real deal.

What the hell were they doing in Denver? If Im one of their fans I'm asking management what the hell is going on there.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

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They trade two heavily protected picks for a starting Center to make a championship run.

This guy is the real deal.

What the hell were they doing in Denver? If Im one of their fans I'm asking management what the hell is going on there.

Absolutely, I agree that we should have given two up.

Was just saying you know the Cavs tried to get him with one. I don't think they are in the charity business

 

[Rick Astley]

I mean, do you not think it would have been nice to have kept one of those firsts to facilitate another trade? Guys that could help us will inevitably always become available (see: Kanter, Enes), and having the assets to obtain them is never a bad thing.

I'm not saying I dislike Mozgov, because obviously his contributions to our team have been huge. I am saying that it would have been nice if we could have gotten him for one pick instead of two and had the other one to toss around in another trade to further improve our team. Packaging a pick with Haywood could have brought us back a pretty solid player.

Would love to have that pick keep as well but we don't know well enough on what's going behind the scenes on how the trade went down. We could have offered them that but Denver maybe got smart and wanted 2 picks. It's all good either way anyways.

 

[The Oi]

He's worth two late round firsts. I say that as someone who was very bummed out about giving up two firsts. If you went back through the last five drafts, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple Centers that contributed in years 1-2 at the level Moz is right now.

He's a very, very good player once defense is taken into consideration.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He's worth two late round firsts. I say that as someone who was very bummed out about giving up two firsts. If you went back through the last five drafts, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple Centers that contributed in years 1-2 at the level Moz is right now.

He's a very, very good player once defense is taken into consideration.

I think the mistake that many people are making is in the assumption that we would have used whichever pick we kept to actually draft someone. I just think it would have been nice to have an additional asset to toss around in a trade, either at the deadline or this summer.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think the mistake that many people are making is in the assumption that we would have used whichever pick we kept to actually draft someone. I just think it would have been nice to have an additional asset to toss around in a trade, either at the deadline or this summer.

I think everyone understands that, but that wasn't an option. Griffin said he'd been trying to acquire these players since before the season began, but the other teams weren't willing. Speculation that we somehow "could" have gotten Mozgov for only one pick is simply baseless, because the fact is that Denver was not willing to do that deal until we offered a second pick, and a third of the season already was gone so it didn't seem like Denver was just posturing.

As to the trade value of a low first round pick...well, I don't want to turn this into a Dion-bashing thread, but he clearly was not working out here at all and did not have a lot of value around the league. In exchange for that not-valuable guy, we got Shumpert, Smith, and a first round pick. Considering that some would have done that deal even without the pick, I'd say that pick doesn't really have enormous value.

But the bottom line is that the second first-rounder was necessary to get Mozgov.

 

[tsteele316]

people are still griping about giving up two late 1sts for this guy????

 

[math-yoo]

Somebody call Denver and ask if they want another first.

 

[Rick Astley]

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Whiteside basically tried to bully Mozgov. Obviously didn't work.