Fastlane Tonight - in Cleveland!

[kookoo]

I'm kind of glad they didn't have Bryan win. There are only two outcomes coming out of Wrestlemania. If Brock signs another contract, he'll end up as champion. If not, regardless of the finish, Rollins will probably cash in the night of, or the night after and become the new champion. Bryan deserves a real run, not to be a footnote for someone else's win. I just hope they don't put him in a match with Shemus, though I'm pretty sure it's leading to that.

This is what I see:

Preshow:

Tag title match - Cesaro/Tyson vs the Usos (maybe 4 way tag match)

Main card:

Miz vs Mizdow (or a battle royal with a bunch of feuding guys including them, Gold vs Stardust, Kane, Show, Wyatts, Ryback, Ziggler, ect).
Barrett vs Ambrose
Cena vs Rusev
Rollins vs Orton
Wyatt vs Taker
Sting vs HHH
Brock vs Reigns

Other than the comeback matches, it looks fairly boring but they have a lot of potential matches.

 

[MoFlo]

I know you weren't talking spoilers, @kookoo , but before it gets to discussing them, I just want to remind everyone we have a separate thread for spoilers here:

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/wwe-tna-etc-spoiler-thread.42142/page-13

 

[dano_24_26]

Who's the rock fighting. Don't tell me he's not....

 

[Andrew]

the most entertaining thing from fastline was sting

 

[TheLand1287]

the most entertaining thing from fastline was sting

I also enjoyed Randy Orton returning to start up his feud with Seth Rollins, Bray Wyatt coming out in the Undertaker's casket and calling him out, and Cesaro & Tyson Kidd winning the tag team titles.

 

[DJTJ]

Mania will honestly suck.

Sting/HHH will be boring, slow, and just a brawl.

Bray isn't good enough in the ring to carry Taker.

Roman Reigns is absolute garbage. Like, hot flaming garbage. Cue card promos? The match will suck, honestly. The Fastlane match was good because Bryan carried. Lesnar is really good, but Reigns just isn't. At all. The top rope powerbomb counter looked AWFUL.

That's your big three, and they're all just shit. Will not be renewing for Mania.

 

[TheLand1287]

Mania will honestly suck.

Sting/HHH will be boring, slow, and just a brawl.

Bray isn't good enough in the ring to carry Taker.

Roman Reigns is absolute garbage. Like, hot flaming garbage. Cue card promos? The match will suck, honestly. The Fastlane match was good because Bryan carried. Lesnar is really good, but Reigns just isn't. At all. The top rope powerbomb counter looked AWFUL.

That's your big three, and they're all just shit. Will not be renewing for Mania.

Well, what would you like WrestleMania to look like then?

Undertaker vs Wyatt may not be a wrestling clinic, but the story telling in and out of the ring should be fantastic. And it's a good way of a) putting Wyatt over a legend to further his push, and b) passing the torch of the WWE's "immortal monster" from the old to the new. Sorry, but for reasons other than strictly technical wrestling, this is a dream matchup of sorts.

Again, Sting vs HHH may not be a wrestling clinic, but I'm willing to give it a chance. HHH can still go in the ring at his age, and everybody has been begging to see Sting in a WWE ring and now he's here and you don't want to see it?

I'm not a Reigns fan either, and I hate that WWE is forcing him down our throats. However, as long as the night ends with Lesnar retaining, or Rollins cashing in... I'll be happy. I would've been all for Bryan having Reigns' place in the main event back at the Royal Rumble, but I wasn't really interested in seeing WWE toss Bryan in the main event again like last year JUST to please the Bryan fan boys. The only question for Bryan now is: What is his plan for WM... facing Ziggler? Sheamus? Andre the Giant Battle Royal?

Everyone crapped all over WrestleMania's initial card last year and it turned out to be a very good show, atleast IMO. Lets see how the full card and event plays out first before anointing it as pure shit.

 

[elcheato]

Well, what would you like WrestleMania to look like then?

Undertaker vs Wyatt may not be a wrestling clinic, but the story telling in and out of the ring should be fantastic. And it's a good way of a) putting Wyatt over a legend to further his push, and b) passing the torch of the WWE's "immortal monster" from the old to the new. Sorry, but for reasons other than strictly technical wrestling, this is a dream matchup of sorts.

Again, Sting vs HHH may not be a wrestling clinic, but I'm willing to give it a chance. HHH can still go in the ring at his age, and everybody has been begging to see Sting in a WWE ring and now he's here and you don't want to see it?

I'm not a Reigns fan either, and I hate that WWE is forcing him down our throats. However, as long as the night ends with Lesnar retaining, or Rollins cashing in... I'll be happy. I would've been all for Bryan having Reigns' place in the main event back at the Royal Rumble, but I wasn't really interested in seeing WWE toss Bryan in the main event again like last year JUST to please the Bryan fan boys. The only question for Bryan now is: What is his plan for WM... facing Ziggler? Sheamus? Andre the Giant Battle Royal?

Everyone crapped all over WrestleMania's initial card last year and it turned out to be a very good show, atleast IMO. Lets see how the full card and event plays out first before anointing it as pure shit.

The night is not going to end with Lesnar retaining or Rollins cashing in, there's no chance. They just had Reigns go over the most over wrestler on the roster clean, after Reigns won the Royal Rumble the month prior. If they were gonna have Lesnar retain or have a cash in to end the night, they would have just thrown Bryan in the main event. The only person on the roster who has been booked stronger than Reigns, has been Lesnar, and that's so Reigns has what they'll sell as the greatest Wrestlemania performance ever. The thought of Rollins cashing in after Reigns beats Lesnar and walking out as champ is ridiculous IMO. Why would they kill his momentum right there considering how much they are behind him and want him to succeed? If anything you'll see Rollins cash in and lose to make Reigns that much better.

My bet would be Bryan will face Sheamus and lose so Reigns has a strong heel to go over in the near future.

 

[Real Deal]

The end of Lesnar is going to be pretty bad for a little until writers can come up with magic.

 

[TheLand1287]

The night is not going to end with Lesnar retaining or Rollins cashing in, there's no chance. They just had Reigns go over the most over wrestler on the roster clean, after Reigns won the Royal Rumble the month prior. If they were gonna have Lesnar retain or have a cash in to end the night, they would have just thrown Bryan in the main event. The only person on the roster who has been booked stronger than Reigns, has been Lesnar, and that's so Reigns has what they'll sell as the greatest Wrestlemania performance ever. The thought of Rollins cashing in after Reigns beats Lesnar and walking out as champ is ridiculous IMO. Why would they kill his momentum right there considering how much they are behind him and want him to succeed? If anything you'll see Rollins cash in and lose to make Reigns that much better.

My bet would be Bryan will face Sheamus and lose so Reigns has a strong heel to go over in the near future.

I'm not saying Lesnar retaining or Rollins cashing in is a lock by any means, but to say there is "no chance" or that the idea is "ridiculous" is a little extreme. Anything could be on the table. If Lesnar signs a new contract with WWE before WrestleMania (a real possibility per Jim Ross) they could always continue his run as champion. Rollins cashing in on his former Shield member and stealing his WrestleMania moment could set up a spring-summer long feud between the two. I could definitely see Reigns get the surprise pin on Lesnar, which causes Lesnar to lose his shit and beat the hell out of Reigns after the match, which leads to Rollins coming down and cashing in. A MITB cash in has never happened at WrestleMania, so it could be an option this year. That wouldn't kill Reigns momentum by any means, as he would still be made to look strong by defeating Lesnar, but would have to continue his chase to become champion by getting it back from Rollins. This would actually probably put him even more over with the crowd based on how he "lost" the belt, and even better... would give Reigns more time to continue to grow as a worker in and out of the ring before being the champion, which we all pretty much conclude he desperately needs.

Again, just my two cents. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's a possibility like anything else. There are a few different ways to book this thing.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The night is not going to end with Lesnar retaining or Rollins cashing in, there's no chance. They just had Reigns go over the most over wrestler on the roster clean, after Reigns won the Royal Rumble the month prior. If they were gonna have Lesnar retain or have a cash in to end the night, they would have just thrown Bryan in the main event. The only person on the roster who has been booked stronger than Reigns, has been Lesnar, and that's so Reigns has what they'll sell as the greatest Wrestlemania performance ever. The thought of Rollins cashing in after Reigns beats Lesnar and walking out as champ is ridiculous IMO. Why would they kill his momentum right there considering how much they are behind him and want him to succeed? If anything you'll see Rollins cash in and lose to make Reigns that much better.

My bet would be Bryan will face Sheamus and lose so Reigns has a strong heel to go over in the near future.

I actually think that Reigns giving it his all and barely beating Lesnar, only to have Rollings come out and effectively steal his belt from him is both a perfect ending to Mania (as the crowd will not be terribly happy about the main event as-is) and the perfect set-up for a feud going forward between Rollins and Reigns. In order to maximize Reigns, he's going to need a good heel to fight with who can help put him over, and Rollins is just really great at pissing people off with his antics.

The bottom line is that the WWE just can't go into Mania and simply have the main event end clean, especially if they want Reigns to take the belt. The fans will be livid if that happens. Rollins almost has to cash in that briefcase in order to salvage the situation that WWE has backed itself into. If he cashes it in and loses to Reigns, it will be even worse for WWE. The boos that will rain down from the rafters will be absurd, and will look especially bad after how great last year's ending was. If you're the WWE, you just can't end your biggest event of the year in a chorus of boos. That means that Lesnar or Rollins has to walk out with the belt.

 

[kookoo]

I'm not saying Lesnar retaining or Rollins cashing in is a lock by any means, but to say there is "no chance" or that the idea is "ridiculous" is a little extreme. Anything could be on the table. If Lesnar signs a new contract with WWE before WrestleMania (a real possibility per Jim Ross) they could always continue his run as champion. Rollins cashing in on his former Shield member and stealing his WrestleMania moment could set up a spring-summer long feud between the two. I could definitely see Reigns get the surprise pin on Lesnar, which causes Lesnar to lose his shit and beat the hell out of Reigns after the match, which leads to Rollins coming down and cashing in. A MITB cash in has never happened at WrestleMania, so it could be an option this year. That wouldn't kill Reigns momentum by any means, as he would still be made to look strong by defeating Lesnar, but would have to continue his chase to become champion by getting it back from Rollins. This would actually probably put him even more over with the crowd based on how he "lost" the belt, and even better... would give Reigns more time to continue to grow as a worker in and out of the ring before being the champion, which we all pretty much conclude he desperately needs.

Again, just my two cents. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's a possibility like anything else. There are a few different ways to book this thing.

My 3rd alternate after Lesnar winning the championship and Rollins cashing in on Reigns after a win is Paul Heyman distracting the refs and helping Reigns get the win. They need to turn Reigns heel, because they already have one guy who has a very bare move set leading the face movement (and he's much better on the mic). Reigns having Heyman as a mouth piece would be amazing. He could definitely learn from him, but it would also make him sound less stupid. All he'd have to say is "believe that" or whatever bs he wants. I would also love a heel vs heel feud where you have Rollins going up on the mic vs Heyman.

Maybe it could be a mix of your idea and mine. Heyman distracts Lensar, Reigns gets the pin. Lesnar goes ape on Reigns and Heyman. Cue Rollins' music and we have a new, new champion. Heyman is honestly the perfect guy for a physical beast, but a terrible talker.

 

[TheLand1287]

My 3rd alternate after Lesnar winning the championship and Rollins cashing in on Reigns after a win is Paul Heyman distracting the refs and helping Reigns get the win. They need to turn Reigns heel, because they already have one guy who has a very bare move set leading the face movement (and he's much better on the mic). Reigns having Heyman as a mouth piece would be amazing. He could definitely learn from him, but it would also make him sound less stupid. All he'd have to say is "believe that" or whatever bs he wants. I would also love a heel vs heel feud where you have Rollins going up on the mic vs Heyman.

Maybe it could be a mix of your idea and mine. Heyman distracts Lensar, Reigns gets the pin. Lesnar goes ape on Reigns and Heyman. Cue Rollins' music and we have a new, new champion. Heyman is honestly the perfect guy for a physical beast, but a terrible talker.

Not a bad option either. If Lesnar is in fact leaving WWE once and for all after WrestleMania, then I could see Heyman turning on him and backing his new "beast". As long as Reigns is booked more like Lesnar then say Ryback/Cesaro/Axel then it could work out.

 

[Bill Walton.]

Yeah i think Heyman is going to team up with Reigns. But i really do like Lesnar as champ. Loved that summerslam title match. Lesnar really is the only guy on the roster who truly looks like hes hurting his competition.

 

[DJTJ]

Well, what would you like WrestleMania to look like then?

Undertaker vs Wyatt may not be a wrestling clinic, but the story telling in and out of the ring should be fantastic. And it's a good way of a) putting Wyatt over a legend to further his push, and b) passing the torch of the WWE's "immortal monster" from the old to the new. Sorry, but for reasons other than strictly technical wrestling, this is a dream matchup of sorts.

Again, Sting vs HHH may not be a wrestling clinic, but I'm willing to give it a chance. HHH can still go in the ring at his age, and everybody has been begging to see Sting in a WWE ring and now he's here and you don't want to see it?

I'm not a Reigns fan either, and I hate that WWE is forcing him down our throats. However, as long as the night ends with Lesnar retaining, or Rollins cashing in... I'll be happy. I would've been all for Bryan having Reigns' place in the main event back at the Royal Rumble, but I wasn't really interested in seeing WWE toss Bryan in the main event again like last year JUST to please the Bryan fan boys. The only question for Bryan now is: What is his plan for WM... facing Ziggler? Sheamus? Andre the Giant Battle Royal?

Everyone crapped all over WrestleMania's initial card last year and it turned out to be a very good show, atleast IMO. Lets see how the full card and event plays out first before anointing it as pure shit.

Mania is a wrestling show. A good Mania, to me, has good matches. The only build that'll suck is Lesnar/Reigns, because Reigns can't talk. Sting/HHH and Bray/Taker will have great builds, but the latter has a guy who has to carry and tell a story, but isn't good enough to do the first. The issue? Taker lost. The streak has no wait. Is Bray the guy you want being the one who buried Taker for the last time? He's a friggin anti-Hero. He doesn't get boo'ed anymore. He got cheered against Cena. You bury Taker. You have to be THE heel. He isn't. Not a dream a match up at all. We got that last year.

The accusation that I don't want to see Sting is asinine. I'd love to see Sting... fighting a match that won't be a replica of Hunter/Taker in HIAC, minus the cell. I have no interest in a brawl between legends fifteen years after everyone wanted to see it.

Bryan fanboys? Try people who like quality wrestlers. The same smarks who like DB liked Punk, like Rollins, like Ambrose, like NXT.

Last years Mania was only popular because Daniel Bryan can fucking wrestle, and Lesnar beat Taker. That's it. The card, name wise, was stacked. The matches sucked. We got two Wrestlemania moments. That's why it ended up being a notable Mania.

What's this years moment? Sting beating Hunter? Bray burying Taker? Roman fucking Reigns winning a belt? Nah. Doesn't cut it. The only thing that'll make it memorable is an absolute Roman Reigns screwjob where he wins, and Rollins cashes in. The place would go nuts, but the issue? That means Lesnar is done. Rollins cashing in on Lesnar is what the WWE would want, because it would create a huge heel star. Reigns winning... means we have a champ who can't talk, with no mouthpiece. Heyman isn't turning on Lesnar.