Tornicade
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his is incorrect. it became something necessary for the courts to regulate when the 14th amendment too the ability to grant US citizenship from the states.
Meaning someone has to protect the states interest from the federal government.
Also a declaration by the president should be subject to judicial review. . it is a big difference than congress passing or enacting the law. it a presidents interpretation of law and setting policy to it.
In addition the scope of the immigration changes by the executive order doesn't just impact people immigrating into the country going forward. it also targets State residents . the States rights should be protected here.
Your saying that the Court has no business to overturn an unlawful Executive order. This simply isn't True. The court decided the verbiage discriminated against religions.
First off . The court Rules that the state of Minnesota and the State of Minnesota had a right to sue in the matter because their Residents were impacted.
Kendall Coffey, who was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida under President Bill Clinton, said the panel’s opinion “strongly suggests that a narrower executive action would have been sustained. The ban on lawful permanent residents was found to be a clear violation of due process.”
The states showed their residents would be harmed if the ban was reinstituted while the Government failed to show the urgency of having a ban in place.
“These are substantial injuries and even irreparable harms,” the judges said. They declined to recognize a White House clarification that the ban doesn’t apply to green-card holders from the seven countries who are legally in the U.S. but feared they wouldn’t be allowed to return if they traveled abroad, citing “the government’s shifting interpretations of the executive order.”
They dismissed the claim that the order had already been amended to afford green card holders due process because the source of the revision was “authoritative guidance” from White House counsel David McGahn. “The White House counsel is not the president, and he is not known to be in the chain of command for any of the executive departments,” the judges said.
It was a clumsily put togeth executive order open to interpretation and
negatively impacted select legal residents of multiple states.
and while this court did not condsider the discriminatory aspects of the ban detailed scrutiny of the vetting and actual impact of the order would be found to religious discrimination.
You say the states have no legal recourse on white house policy changes that impact their citizens.. that simply not the case.
Meaning someone has to protect the states interest from the federal government.
Also a declaration by the president should be subject to judicial review. . it is a big difference than congress passing or enacting the law. it a presidents interpretation of law and setting policy to it.
In addition the scope of the immigration changes by the executive order doesn't just impact people immigrating into the country going forward. it also targets State residents . the States rights should be protected here.
That is complete legal gibberish, and didn't come remotely close to addressing the point I made about judge shopping when getting a TRO. Saying, as you did, that the judge considered all the orders his order modified is word salad. The parties are not identical, there was no res judicata, and they were different cases. But you don't appear to understand any of that.
Also, the President's interpretation of the law was not even at issue -- the court agreed his actions were within the power delegated by Congress.
The point about state residents is the only one that makes any sense at all, but the judge threw out the entire EO - even those parts that had nothing to do with state residents at all. In fact, as a basis of jurisdiction, the judge is limited to residents of his own judicial district. Instead, he did the entire country.
But, I hope he rules the same way on the revised order. The timing will work out now so that Gorsuch would get to hear the appeal, and that will be that
I am saying that courts have no business regulating who may immigrate into this country, period. For any reason. It is one of those classes of issues which the Court generally will not look at all. Not only because they are political questions, but because of a lack of jurisdiction overseas, and a lack of standing of the aggrieved parties.
Simply put, it puts the courts in the position of being able to determine who can, and who cannot, enter the country. There is no possible basis in Article III for them to take that roll.
You have a habit of looking at the merits of particular decisions without considering whether courts should have power over an issue in the first place.
That is...nonsensical. Are you trying to make some kind of sideway argument on res judicata? Because it doesn't apply here for obvious reasons..
Your saying that the Court has no business to overturn an unlawful Executive order. This simply isn't True. The court decided the verbiage discriminated against religions.
First off . The court Rules that the state of Minnesota and the State of Minnesota had a right to sue in the matter because their Residents were impacted.
Kendall Coffey, who was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida under President Bill Clinton, said the panel’s opinion “strongly suggests that a narrower executive action would have been sustained. The ban on lawful permanent residents was found to be a clear violation of due process.”
The states showed their residents would be harmed if the ban was reinstituted while the Government failed to show the urgency of having a ban in place.
“These are substantial injuries and even irreparable harms,” the judges said. They declined to recognize a White House clarification that the ban doesn’t apply to green-card holders from the seven countries who are legally in the U.S. but feared they wouldn’t be allowed to return if they traveled abroad, citing “the government’s shifting interpretations of the executive order.”
They dismissed the claim that the order had already been amended to afford green card holders due process because the source of the revision was “authoritative guidance” from White House counsel David McGahn. “The White House counsel is not the president, and he is not known to be in the chain of command for any of the executive departments,” the judges said.
It was a clumsily put togeth executive order open to interpretation and
negatively impacted select legal residents of multiple states.
and while this court did not condsider the discriminatory aspects of the ban detailed scrutiny of the vetting and actual impact of the order would be found to religious discrimination.
You say the states have no legal recourse on white house policy changes that impact their citizens.. that simply not the case.