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his is incorrect. it became something necessary for the courts to regulate when the 14th amendment too the ability to grant US citizenship from the states.

Meaning someone has to protect the states interest from the federal government.

Also a declaration by the president should be subject to judicial review. . it is a big difference than congress passing or enacting the law. it a presidents interpretation of law and setting policy to it.


In addition the scope of the immigration changes by the executive order doesn't just impact people immigrating into the country going forward. it also targets State residents . the States rights should be protected here.
That is complete legal gibberish, and didn't come remotely close to addressing the point I made about judge shopping when getting a TRO. Saying, as you did, that the judge considered all the orders his order modified is word salad. The parties are not identical, there was no res judicata, and they were different cases. But you don't appear to understand any of that.

Also, the President's interpretation of the law was not even at issue -- the court agreed his actions were within the power delegated by Congress.

The point about state residents is the only one that makes any sense at all, but the judge threw out the entire EO - even those parts that had nothing to do with state residents at all. In fact, as a basis of jurisdiction, the judge is limited to residents of his own judicial district. Instead, he did the entire country.

But, I hope he rules the same way on the revised order. The timing will work out now so that Gorsuch would get to hear the appeal, and that will be that
I am saying that courts have no business regulating who may immigrate into this country, period. For any reason. It is one of those classes of issues which the Court generally will not look at all. Not only because they are political questions, but because of a lack of jurisdiction overseas, and a lack of standing of the aggrieved parties.

Simply put, it puts the courts in the position of being able to determine who can, and who cannot, enter the country. There is no possible basis in Article III for them to take that roll.

You have a habit of looking at the merits of particular decisions without considering whether courts should have power over an issue in the first place.



That is...nonsensical. Are you trying to make some kind of sideway argument on res judicata? Because it doesn't apply here for obvious reasons..


Your saying that the Court has no business to overturn an unlawful Executive order. This simply isn't True. The court decided the verbiage discriminated against religions.

First off . The court Rules that the state of Minnesota and the State of Minnesota had a right to sue in the matter because their Residents were impacted.

Kendall Coffey, who was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida under President Bill Clinton, said the panel’s opinion “strongly suggests that a narrower executive action would have been sustained. The ban on lawful permanent residents was found to be a clear violation of due process.”

The states showed their residents would be harmed if the ban was reinstituted while the Government failed to show the urgency of having a ban in place.


“These are substantial injuries and even irreparable harms,” the judges said. They declined to recognize a White House clarification that the ban doesn’t apply to green-card holders from the seven countries who are legally in the U.S. but feared they wouldn’t be allowed to return if they traveled abroad, citing “the government’s shifting interpretations of the executive order.”

They dismissed the claim that the order had already been amended to afford green card holders due process because the source of the revision was “authoritative guidance” from White House counsel David McGahn. “The White House counsel is not the president, and he is not known to be in the chain of command for any of the executive departments,” the judges said.

It was a clumsily put togeth executive order open to interpretation and
negatively impacted select legal residents of multiple states.

and while this court did not condsider the discriminatory aspects of the ban detailed scrutiny of the vetting and actual impact of the order would be found to religious discrimination.

You say the states have no legal recourse on white house policy changes that impact their citizens.. that simply not the case.
 
Someone tell me I'm not crazy on this.

My first gfs little sister is an otherwise very smart person.. but it's apparent she's incubated in this ultra left, academia stew and popped out as a socially autistic, hypersensitive millennial..

I've muted every person on fb I know that will consistently post things that will tempt me to Fuck with them except her and one other person because they're so ridiculous I can't help it, I can see their posts and be satisfied in laughing to myself.

But she posted this story on her timeline.. the frat next door painted "I wanna rail my neighbor" with an arrow pointed at her sorority house.. the post was like 100 people deep, hash tagging shit like #rape culture, and them tagging the police department and all kinds of ridiculous, outer dimensional absurdity..

I watch this for hours, checking in every once in awhile , laughing every time someone says to call the police.. and then they do something so fucking awesome, and they post a sheet back, arrow pointed, "not even in your dreams".. I thought, they fucking get it! Finally! This is healthy, you don't retreat to fb and your echo chamber and call the police and purport this is rape culture, you just use your brain and get them back and stop taking shit so seriously..

And not a single one even liked the picture. They admonished her with this cliche horizontal shaming routine, where they all gang up on them and say they stooped to their level by being funny at them..

You can't even be funny.. how is this an enjoyable experience for these kids anymore? Do people think this is healthy? If someone can trigger you to a 6.7 seismic wave with a funny line that literally gets you to call the police and people shame you for just handling it and having a sense of humor.. is that progress?

That life seems absolutely miserable, and these kids are going to school, getting degrees that are the equivalent of toilet paper, coming out less able to handle the world and their thought processes mutated by these classes that are now largely required to graduate.. they're going in to school and coming out dumber and permanently poor..
 
Someone tell me I'm not crazy on this.

My first gfs little sister is an otherwise very smart person.. but it's apparent she's incubated in this ultra left, academia stew and popped out as a socially autistic, hypersensitive millennial..

I've muted every person on fb I know that will consistently post things that will tempt me to Fuck with them except her and one other person because they're so ridiculous I can't help it, I can see their posts and be satisfied in laughing to myself.

But she posted this story on her timeline.. the frat next door painted "I wanna rail my neighbor" with an arrow pointed at her sorority house.. the post was like 100 people deep, hash tagging shit like #rape culture, and them tagging the police department and all kinds of ridiculous, outer dimensional absurdity..

I watch this for hours, checking in every once in awhile , laughing every time someone says to call the police.. and then they do something so fucking awesome, and they post a sheet back, arrow pointed, "not even in your dreams".. I thought, they fucking get it! Finally! This is healthy, you don't retreat to fb and your echo chamber and call the police and purport this is rape culture, you just use your brain and get them back and stop taking shit so seriously..

And not a single one even liked the picture. They admonished her with this cliche horizontal shaming routine, where they all gang up on them and say they stooped to their level by being funny at them..

You can't even be funny.. how is this an enjoyable experience for these kids anymore? Do people think this is healthy? If someone can trigger you to a 6.7 seismic wave with a funny line that literally gets you to call the police and people shame you for just handling it and having a sense of humor.. is that progress?

That life seems absolutely miserable, and these kids are going to school, getting degrees that are the equivalent of toilet paper, coming out less able to handle the world and their thought processes mutated by these classes that are now largely required to graduate.. they're going in to school and coming out dumber and permanently poor..

Their get back is really funny.

But, like--- step out of the left vs right thing. The first action wasn't remotely okay, and should be corrected. On campus, especially in Greek life, there's better ways to go about it than calling police, though.
 
Their get back is really funny.

But, like--- step out of the left vs right thing. The first action wasn't remotely okay, and should be corrected. On campus, especially in Greek life, there's better ways to go about it than calling police, though.
"I want to bang you" should not turn you "Powder" white.

Genuinely, how do you guys even fuck at this point? Or is sex offensive?
 
The story said nothing about immigrants. Some 30 youth threw stones at the police who were attempting to arrest some guy and they later retreated. 7-8 cars were burned, the police arrived with reinforcements and it was over in less than two hours.

I don't think this is quite what you're hoping for. Maybe @BimboColesHair can call his aunt and find out more.

Shit, I don't need to call anyone about this...I saw riots while I was in Stockholm this past summer, and I'm sure its the same group.

Stone throwing directed at police and car burning has been a regular occurrence there since spring of 2016.

But I won't share what I know, because it won't be genuine.
 
"I want to bang you" should not turn you "Powder" white.

Genuinely, how do you guys even fuck at this point? Or is sex offensive?

I find myself wondering that too. But I think people are just more careful and nature takes its course.
 
"I want to bang you" should not turn you "Powder" white.

Genuinely, how do you guys even fuck at this point? Or is sex offensive?

I mean, there's a general lack of respect to point an arrow at a whole building full of 18-22 year old girls.

This has nothing to do with left vs right, so I'm not sure what agenda you're trying to push.
 
Shit, I don't need to call anyone about this...I saw riots while I was in Stockholm this past summer, and I'm sure its the same group.

Stone throwing directed at police and car burning has been a regular occurrence there since spring of 2016.

But I won't share what I know, because it won't be genuine.

The same usual websites, Vdare, Zerohedge are all crowing how Trump is owed an apology by the world. No matter the spin, Trump clearly misspoke, and then doubled down by claiming Sweden claims its immigration process is perfect. Which is a lie. No one claims any policy is perfect. But these folks love their declarative black and white statements.

What is very clear, however, is that even after getting mocked by the international community for misspeaking, he still didn't have the intellectual curiosity to have someone brief him on Sweden. He instead watched the Fox News report again, that has since been thoroughly vetted as mostly bullshit, and basically spouted more nonsense.

But I am sure, we are about to get a lecture by some Nordic policy experts on how disturbances (which even Expressen declined to characterize as an immigrant riot) like this are definitive proof that a nation's policies are failed and sad.

Edit: I think I know who are talking about. Are these the same people that congregate in the Stockholm subway sometimes?
 
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I'll let this one go. I don't want to offend anyone.

@King Stannis girls aren't being careful, it's like ordering a cheeseburger. But I don't come across many younger girls that are into guys their age and they don't seem to even have a respect radar
 
I'll let this one go. I don't want to offend anyone.

@King Stannis girls aren't being careful, it's like ordering a cheeseburger. But I don't come across many younger girls that are into guys their age and they don't seem to even have a respect radar

I'll take your word for it. I moved out of the college age cohort a few years ago.

I too am often puzzled by the behavior of the youngest millennials. They are too sensitive and not very intellectually curious. Slaves to fashion. I wish people would take gap years and step outside their bubbles before starting school.
 
I mean, there's a general lack of respect to point an arrow at a whole building full of 18-22 year old girls.

This has nothing to do with left vs right, so I'm not sure what agenda you're trying to push.

Meh. I think there is such a thing as being too sensitive, and this qualifies. Putting up a sign saying you want to rail your neighbors is certainly not classy, but it's not really something to get worked up over. It's college kids being dumb. No one is hurt, and the girls had fun with it and responded in kind, as they should have.
 
The same usual websites, Vdare, Zerohedge are all crowing how Trump is owed an apology by the world. No matter the spin, Trump clearly misspoke, and then doubled down by claiming Sweden claims its immigration process is perfect. Which is a lie. No one claims any policy is perfect. But these folks love their declarative black and white statements.

What is very clear, however, is that even after getting mocked by the international community for misspeaking, he still didn't have the intellectual curiosity to have someone brief him on Sweden. He instead watched the Fox News report again, that has since been thoroughly vetted as mostly bullshit, and basically spouted more nonsense.

But I am sure, we are about to get a lecture by some Nordic policy experts on how disturbances (which even Expressen declined to characterize as an immigrant riot) like this are definitive proof that a nation's policies are failed and sad.

If you've visited Sweden before, and have traveled outside of the major cities and experience suburban and rural life in the country, you know exactly why these events are occurring there more frequently than in years past...and it has nothing to do with immigration, because most of these kids in these groups are 2nd or 3rd generation offspring of immigrants (labeled as non-ethnic Swedes) whose 1st or 2nd generations didn't cause a fuss at all over the 30-50 years prior...but they will still be labeled as immigrants, as if they are fresh off the boats, by political parties with something to gain from the unrest...
 
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