Game 27 | Cavs @ Celtics| December 19th, 2012 | 7:30PM

[pr26]

When he is a free agent....next year we need to make some serious progress, or he will plan on going somewhere else in his future

Please learn the rules of and stipulations of Rookie contract extensions and free agency, and report back to the board.

We'll have Kyrie for a while before we have to worry about keeping him here or not.

 

[shoes22]

For a #4 pick to be OKAY at defense and have nothing else is a sad #4 pick.

I'm curious...what player would you have drafted with that pick?

 

[Rich]

I'm curious...what player would you have drafted with that pick?

JONAS!!!

Or Faried. That's usually the answer.

 

[Stark]

So much bullshit on this thread.

Cut Thompson? Are you people crazy? He has just barely eclipsed a full season's worth of time because of the lockout last year. I'm pretty sure Summer Camps and everything was cut short from the lockout last season so he didn't even have any time.

He's played 86 career games so far, so I'm just going to round off and say he has his full rookie season under his belt now.

Player A didn't play an equivalence to what Thompson played until he was in his third year, so I am going to use his third season's numbers.

Player A: 6.0 PPG / 8.3 RPG / 0.4 APG / 2.0 BPG / .578 FG% in 26.8 MPG
Player B: 8.3 PPG / 6.8 RPG / 0.6 APG / 0.9 BPG / .447 FG% in 25.4 MPG

Player A is Ben Wallace.

Now mind you, this was in his THIRD season in the NBA, because he didn't even play comparably close minutes wise to Thompson in his first two years. Relatively similar numbers. That Ben Wallace guy wasn't too bad at basketball either.

I don't have the time to find more comparisons, and I'm not saying that Thompson is the second coming of Ben Wallace, but please.

Step away from the damn ledge. Kyrie and LeBron's sensational rookie seasons have spoiled some of you. Some of these kids are going to take a bit more time. Thompson isn't going to be a bad player. He'll probably never be an All-Star, but there is no reason that he can't be a reliable big man for us for a decade. He just needs to learn the game better, and get more around him, and just naturally progress and develop.

Christ.

 

[Rondo]

Please learn the rules of and stipulations of Rookie contract extensions and free agency, and report back to the board.

We'll have Kyrie for a while before we have to worry about keeping him here or not.

I don't think you understand that contracts are not an issue. If he's here for seven years and we are making first round playoff exits, hes gone....

He can also demand a trade.

Right now we have Kyrie and.....Waiters? I guess we will have to see.

 

[Rondo]

JONAS!!!

Or Faried. That's usually the answer.

Yea...trade your 4 pic down instead of feeling obligated to pick Thompson or Jonas. Get more value out of the pick then in a shitty draft. Then you could pick maybe a faried or klay thompson. Have 2 pics instead of 1 shitty one if your scouting isn't comfortable

 

[Birdy89]

I'm pretty sure Summer Camps and everything was cut short from the lockout last season so he didn't even have any time.

He had a full summer of everything this year and still looks like dog shit on most nights.

There was no significant jump taken from year 1 to 2, which is a time developmentally that it should be a big step taken.

He is 47th in the NBA in PER right now at his position, and dead last for anyone playing more than 28 minutes a night.

His ineptitude on offense hurts this team tremendously because opposing defenses don't even pay attention to him. That puts more pressure on everyone else.

The chances of him showing a huge improvement decrease as the seasons pass. The fact that he looks so bad after hearing all the crap about his great off-season is beyond depressing, because he had more room for improvement than anyone else.

 

[shoes22]

I don't think you understand that contracts are not an issue. If he's here for seven years and we are making first round playoff exits, hes gone....

He can also demand a trade.

Right now we have Kyrie and.....Waiters? I guess we will have to see.

You honestly think the talent level on this team is going to be the same seven years from now? Even in a worst-case scenario, I can't see it. I assure you, even as soon as 2 seasons from now our roster will look a lot more polished than is currently constructed.

 

[Mdog1]

I don't think you understand that contracts are not an issue. If he's here for seven years and we are making first round playoff exits, hes gone....

Right now we have Kyrie and.....Waiters? I guess we will have to see.

As he should be. Why waste his talents on a team that has second round at best potential. With that said we are in the second year of a major rebuild. We have multiple picks in the next couple of drafts, a great asset in Andy, and three top 5 picks on our roster now. To top all of that off is the fact that we have nearly enough cap space to fit in two max contract free agents in one of the next two off seasons.

We have a budding all star, we have a rookie that shows flashes of being a 20ppg scorer, we have a sophmore that has double double potential, and another rookie that has the potential to be an above average starter at C, and we have another *likely* top 5 pick this season.

That's a decent foundation to build on. We've got Kyrie for at the bare minimum another three years (two years left on his contract, and the following year QO), but most likely he will take the five year extension as a player is only eligible for one of those if the team has bird rights. I would say he'd look to capitalize on the CBA and take a contract that would allow him to reup again before it expires like LeBron did, but the year Kyrie is due to extend is the year before there will be another CBA negotiation most likely (2016).

 

[MirORich]

If you want to worry about 5 1/2 years from now, have at it.

Me, I'm going to enjoy watching the process of assembling talent to this team, which is a MULTI-year process, that includes the 2011,2012,2013,and 2014 drafts, in addition to an eventual FA signing, most likely in the 2013 or 2014 offseason, and trades.

How many times does it need to be said that OKC was 3-29 to start the year in Durants 2nd season. Do you think guys like Kyrie aren't aware of that and don't realize what the process entails, including his own growth and improvement?

As others have mentioned, its not even worth discussing him leaving after his first contract. Zero % chance of happening due to the CBA and derrick rose rule.

But again, worry about 2018 all you want.

I don't think you understand that contracts are not an issue. If he's here for seven years and we are making first round playoff exits, hes gone....

He can also demand a trade.

Right now we have Kyrie and.....Waiters? I guess we will have to see.

 

[kosis]

Wow...terrible

My man... I find it hard to believe that you could have watched more than a handful of NBA seasons, then watch a game with Tristan Thompson and see potential in this kid. I just can't. It's not about missing shots or learning schemes. The kid is flat out uncoordinated, sloppy and hasn't made more than 10 shots combined in this season and last outside of two handed dunks. His predictability is absolutely out of this world terrible. I literally cringe watching the guy. Give him the ball in the paint and watch defenses salivate. He'll have an open dunk but WAIT for the defense to rotate by gathering and dribbling EVERY TIME. I've never felt this uncomfortable watching an NBA player on the floor in all of my years watching professional basketball (I went to games at the Coliseum as a kid). He literally has zero feel for the game on offense. You can't just overcome that. On defense he's passable. He can rebound here and there if out there long enough, sure. He'll block a couple of shots here and there but I swear even that has to do with him being so uncoordinated/jumpy that teams don't expect him to be in weird spots on the floor.

Keep in mind I was fine with the pick. The draft was terrible and I'm not sure Jonas will be better. Sure Faried is great but none of us knew how good he'd be. I'm not saying we shouldn't have picked him. I'm saying this team is in big trouble if we think he's a potential starter. I'm not sure if he's even a passable player to have deep in the bench, he's that bad and awkward. No chance is this kid a future contributor. Favorite this thread if need be. I pray to the old gods and new that I'm wrong. Think about the fact that Kyrie hasn't even been able to get this so-called amazing athlete/high IQ player one oop all season. I haven't seen one. Just further evidence he doesn't even know what he's doing on a fundamental level.

Dion hasn't played well but you can SEE he has the potential and capabilities. You don't need 5 seasons to gauge this... it's blatantly apparent after a few games. Tristan Thompson seems like an amazing person, he hustles and tries hard... but that's simply not enough. We need a 4 badly.

 

[Lyst]

Only thing I can agree with out of all of the posts I just read is that TT is SHIT. Stop defending his play. He is a shitty JJ Hickson at best, and the sad thing is he tries 10 x harder than JJ ever did. Rumbling around underneath the basket is fine and dandy as long as you DO SOMETHING WITH IT. To not call him a bust is a sin, what the hell is he ever going to bring to an NBA team at this rate?

 

[MirORich]

Trying to figure out how anyone is upset at tonights game.

On the road. Against a vet Boston tem that is not about to let a losing streak get extended to 4 at home. No Andy. Zellers first start. Dion's 2nd game back. Zero bench. Tristan shows free throw improvement and 6 offensive boards.

Were people expecting a victory tonight?

 

[Numbers Guy]

Trying to figure out how anyone is upset at tonights game.

On the road. Against a vet Boston tem that is not about to let a losing streak get extended to 4 at home. No Andy. Zellers first start. Dion's 2nd game back. Zero bench. Tristan shows free throw improvement and 6 offensive boards.

Were people expecting a victory tonight?

Paul Pierce dropped 40 on 16 shots, 16 shots! Shot 81%. And yet, the Cavs still had a shot in the 4th.. I'm not mad at all about this loss.

 

[shoes22]

Paul Pierce dropped 40 on 16 shots, 16 shots! Shot 81%. And yet, the Cavs still had a shot in the 4th.. I'm not mad at all about this loss.

Pierce had an amazing game, no doubt, and he probably would have been unstoppable regardless...but the Cavs put absolutely no pressure on him on defense.