Game 28 | Atlanta @ Cleveland | Thursday December 26, 2013 7:00 PM EST

[Cassity14]

4/14 isn't efficient basketball guys. Especially when he's recording more turnovers than assists. How are you going to argue against that?

To refresh memories, I defended the guy on here until my fingers wanted to fall off after that loss against the Pelicans. It's gotten so much worse since.

 

[JFT]

The Cavs played a very good game against a very good team tonight. What's all the complaining about!

We lost on a slop shot at the end of 2 OTs. Many, many more bright spots tonight than negatives.

On to Boston....and that green vomit color they're using these days!

 

[Tornicade]

I agree, look he and the team in general made a lot of piss poor decisions at times. I'm fine if you, or anyone else want to point that out. But again, if you're going to point out Kyrie, its fair to point out others as well. This team as a whole, is HORRIBLE at passing out of traps. Or dribbling into them. It's not just Kyrie, but I often see it with Tristan, Andy, and Dion. It's often most noticeable with Kyrie, because he being the point guard often has the ball the most often. But they all do a rather poor job of this at times.

Dion had 2 traveling calls on open drives. a turnover passing the ball to an open andy under the basket and two other turnovers making the right play but not the right pass. and he remembered every single one of them.


In general most of the Cavs turnovers I didnt mind because they came from pushing the ball and they can learn from those.


but Kyrie had several give and go opportunities that he opted to dribble nowhere with and he also sets the tone for the offense. He froze out Dion and the teams ball movement.

With that said Id rather see the Cavs having games like this every night as opposed to being down by 20 and the game lost in the first quarter,

It was really nice to see our top 4 picks the first two years of the build out there going on a run together

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Yes for sure!

The Cavs are a bad team. There aren't even really a team - they are 5 guys on the floor at a given time, completely out of synch with one another. It's bad basketball.

 

[Rich]

when kyrie gets hot on 4 or 5 possesions in a row after solid offensive play from his teammates have created openings.. he doesnt need to force the ball at that point. get the ball out there.

We have an INSANE amount of guys who believe in heat check shots. Irving, Miles, Waiters, Jack, Thompson to an extent. When they hit two, they are shooting next time down, correct basketvall play be damned.

 

[KI4MVP]

4/14 isn't efficient basketball guys. Especially when he's recording more turnovers than assists. How are you going to argue against that?

To refresh memories, I defended the guy on here until my fingers wanted to fall off after that loss against the Pelicans. It's gotten so much worse since.

Your math is wrong. He was 6-11 for 16 points in the overtimes. That's efficient.

 

[Cassity14]

Your math is wrong. He was 6-11 for 16 points in the overtimes. That's efficient.

Read the thread, not the page, please. From the 4:56 point in regulation onward (out of a timeout after a Korver 3) he went 4/14 from the field after starting his hero routine.

Does 6/11 include 2 free throws? I count 4/9.

 

[Cassity14]

Apologies to all: Kyrie was 5/6 in OT #2 and 6/16 overall in the time I previously referred to as 4/14

 

[godfather]

We have an INSANE amount of guys who believe in heat check shots. Irving, Miles, Waiters, Jack, Thompson to an extent. When they hit two, they are shooting next time down, correct basketvall play be damned.

You forgot to add Austin Carr. He endorses them.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Couldn't have picked a better game to go to for 15$ my one game this year, except for the outcome of course.

 

[mds]

Kyrie certainly made some great plays, but he blew a lot of plays too. When we moved the ball in OT we looked good, but when he just gets determined its his shot no matter what things get dicey. Chalk it up to growing pains, I guess, but he does need to learn to balance when to be the man and when to take advantage of 1, 2, or 3 wide open teammates.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Im just going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that there is no such problem as floor spacing.

I'll look at box scores and pretend that when I see 9/13 for Tristan, they are coming from 15 feet out and he is not getting blocked at the rim even when guys are rotating and recovering on him after leaving him open and guards are dropping off passes as a result of meeting 2 defenders (Im going to pretend Dion didnt set him up picture perfectly and that Tristan finished that play instead of getting blocked cleanly by 6'6 Paul Millsap, getting bailed out by the refs and then missing both free throws)

You can kill Kyrie for forcing things, he DID in fact force things, but then you also have to kill Dion for forcing things the same way with the same lineup in, while he was playing the role of Kyrie. Next to Jack, Delladova, Tristan and Andy, Dion had 3 straight plays of unforced turnovers because the entire defense was able to sag and rotate off Andy and Tristan and force the ball handler to overthink trying to adjust to what he saw in front of him.

The floor is shrunk, in an age where floor spacing is the key to success.

Soon as we make moves to space the floor better with one of our bigs being a consistent threat from 15 feet and out, we will look like we have turned a corner.

 

[WitnessMoBoobie]

So much fricken hero ball last night, it's so frustrating to watch.

The entire last 7 min of q4 except the dish from Dion to TT was Kyrie playing his own game or Dion doing the same (but with way fewer touches).

It was awesome to see Delly step it up last night. I wish he would have gotten the Teague assignment in the 2nd OT.

 

[Green Lantern]

Im just going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that there is no such problem as floor spacing.

I'll look at box scores and pretend that when I see 9/13 for Tristan, they are coming from 15 feet out and he is not getting blocked at the rim even when guys are rotating and recovering on him after leaving him open and guards are dropping off passes as a result of meeting 2 defenders (Im going to pretend Dion didnt set him up picture perfectly and that Tristan finished that play instead of getting blocked cleanly by 6'6 Paul Millsap, getting bailed out by the refs and then missing both free throws)

You can kill Kyrie for forcing things, he DID in fact force things, but then you also have to kill Dion for forcing things the same way with the same lineup in, while he was playing the role of Kyrie. Next to Jack, Delladova, Tristan and Andy, Dion had 3 straight plays of unforced turnovers because the entire defense was able to sag and rotate off Andy and Tristan and force the ball handler to overthink trying to adjust to what he saw in front of him.

The floor is shrunk, in an age where floor spacing is the key to success.

Soon as we make moves to space the floor better with one of our bigs being a consistent threat from 15 feet and out, we will look like we have turned a corner.

Yeah but until that time KI has to learn how to adjust to the game. He has to know he's getting attention once he gets the ball and starts his move so he needs to also think . Not give the ball up to a player who is at a bad angle, or about to be doubled.
He's got to create the space by not dribbling too much and get the ball out of his hands so he can get it back playing off of it.

 

[mds]

Im just going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that there is no such problem as floor spacing.

I'll look at box scores and pretend that when I see 9/13 for Tristan, they are coming from 15 feet out and he is not getting blocked at the rim even when guys are rotating and recovering on him after leaving him open and guards are dropping off passes as a result of meeting 2 defenders (Im going to pretend Dion didnt set him up picture perfectly and that Tristan finished that play instead of getting blocked cleanly by 6'6 Paul Millsap, getting bailed out by the refs and then missing both free throws)

You can kill Kyrie for forcing things, he DID in fact force things, but then you also have to kill Dion for forcing things the same way with the same lineup in, while he was playing the role of Kyrie. Next to Jack, Delladova, Tristan and Andy, Dion had 3 straight plays of unforced turnovers because the entire defense was able to sag and rotate off Andy and Tristan and force the ball handler to overthink trying to adjust to what he saw in front of him.

The floor is shrunk, in an age where floor spacing is the key to success.

Soon as we make moves to space the floor better with one of our bigs being a consistent threat from 15 feet and out, we will look like we have turned a corner.

No doubt, floor spacing is a major issue for this team. Seriously, when its crunch time teams know we basically have one option. If Kyrie can't hit the open man, which he doesn't often do, it is pretty easy to scheme the defense. I don't blame him, because the open man isn't likely to hit a jump shot or crash to the rim with a dunk (we have such weak dunking frontcourt players). What's a Kyrie to do?!