Game #78 | Bobcats Vs. Cavs | Saturday, April 5th, 2014 | 7:30PM EST

[Tlyons]

really cdr?

 

[Cayman13]

The ball movement is obviously not as good. He's not the reason we lost, but it just seems clear when he plays the ball movement isn't as good.

Agree.


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[moohead]

The cancer is the two of them. One has to go. They will not play together. Too much ego. Plus they're very different people.

 

[gourimoko]

I still say....the guy could score 100 points, but the team plays worse when he's in there. They don't play team ball.

Who's fault is that? Irving had 8 assists at the middle of the 4th, it's not like he wasn't passing the ball.

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[Tornicade]

The cancer is the two of them. One has to go. They will not play together. Too much ego. Plus they're very different people.

thats why half of Irvings assist was to Dion. Those two are working it out and chemistry Dion VS Irving wasnt the problem tonight. Dion was having a bad shooting night and got frustrated with the refs. Brown sit him down to think about it and they lost. Dion cares more about wins than anything else. this will give him something to think about.

Irvings problems arent just occuring when Dions on the court. they occer regardless who is on the floor.

As a point guard who is a score first option he has to walk a very thin line in balancing his production with the team as a whole and create some flow. that wasnt there tonight. but on the bright side the team defense was.

 

[Tornicade]

Who's fault is that? Irving had 8 assists at the middle of the 4th, it's not like he wasn't passing the ball.

He took 31 shots. the team as a whole took 96. the ball movement and off the ball movement wasnt there. Irving was doing alot of free lancing.

these are problems typical with great scrers especially great scoring point guards.

lets use Durant as an example. he said he was taking too many shots. and although he kept scoring and taking alot of shots. he found a way to do it while keeping the offense in flow. something he used to depend on westbrook to do.. it worked out for OKC.

Kyrie has to learn to balance playing within the offense and free lancing for his game. its not an easy thing to do

 

[Cashius X]

The cancer is the two of them. One has to go. They will not play together. Too much ego. Plus they're very different people.

They looked amazing in the Orlando game but they collectively looked poor/average in the last 2 games so let's end the experiment now. Large enough sample size, right?

Gtfoh. Glad you're a fan and not someone in charge.

 

[Tornicade]

I dont get the quick three. you have 11.6 seconds left. on your home court and your behind two points and 1 time out. I think a better option would of been to drive the lane, layup,foul or feed. If you make the shot. the Bobcats have three time outs and 8 seconds with 1 point difference.

 

[AC Got Buckets]

He took 31 shots. the team as a whole took 96. the ball movement and off the ball movement wasnt there. Irving was doing alot of free lancing.

Kyrie - 31 shots; 44 points
Rest - 65 shots; 50 points

He only took two shots in the 2nd and tried to get everyone else involved. And they were terrible, so he then took responsibility. He's often got a lot to answer for, but not last night.

 

[Tornicade]

Kyrie - 31 shots; 44 points
Rest - 65 shots; 50 points

He only took two shots in the 2nd and tried to get everyone else involved. And they were terrible, so he then took responsibility. He's often got a lot to answer for, but not last night.

your not getting what people are saying.

I am saying and I said it several time that Kyrie had a great game ? we seem to agree with this. What I am saying that when Kyrie has a great game theres a tendancy for everyone else to have a bad game offensively.
Cavs are 9-22 When Irving takes 16-19 shots.
Cavs are 6- 12 wen he takes 20 or more shots.
Cavs are 10-8 when he takes 15 or less shots.
Cavs are 5-6 when he doesnt play.
Cavs are 12-8 when Irving shoots 50% or more.

Weve seen with great scorers.. dominique wilkins, MJ , Durant, Love, Curry, LJ

There is a penchant for the offense to stagnant and the rest of the team shoot poorly and all though sometimes its a randomness of the shooting gods that this occurs s oftentimes its about how the ball is moving and where they are getting their shots.

I am please that Irving is getting adept recognizing open assist oppurtunities but its a fine line excelling within the offense system and putting up big numbers and putting up bigger numbers outside the offense which creates a stagnant offense.

Its a balance and something Kyrie needs to work on and its a good thing for a franchise to have to have a player that needs to work on it.

its part of adjusting to the NBA.

Cavs had 8 team assist in the third quarter. 5 in the 4th.. with 4 different players with assist. led with kyrie's 5 assist. that show ball movement and the Cavs shot 57% for the third quarter.

Im not saying Krye needs to cut back his shots . nor am i saying he had a bad game.

but in these close games he does need to learn to have a great game and keep the team in the offense. Irving had one assist in the 4th quarter and none in overtime.

its a fine balance and one Irving has to learn even if they had pulled out the win