Gee Wiz...what's Alonzo's ceiling???

[Gimme Some Mo]

How long do you think Fred Mcleod was waiting to say the words "AND WE ARE GETTING 3G SERVICE IN THE INSERT ARENA NAME!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kouki]

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you realize how long it took to acquire Mo, Z, Jamison?!?!

That said, the jury is still out as to whether or not Gee and Samuels are even able to be role players on a good team.

Actually i forget, how long DID it take to get Z?

 

[Karma]

I think he has the potential to be a steady rotation guy, nothing much more. But that is fine with me. You need to have a couple of minimum salary guys who can play some. Gee potentially is one of those players.

 

[Damage]

Not really. The Cavs had the role players. Mo is a fine role player, he's just not capable of doing what the Cavs asked of him. Same with Jamison, Z, Shaq, etc. The team simply didn't have another star which caused them to ask their role players to do more tahn they could. Basically, they surrounded him with just role players.

Still think role players have little to do with the speed of the rebuild. Gee and Samuels aren't going to make the team contend any sooner. Drafting an impact player like Drummond will do that though. Filling out the roster with role players is basically the last piece of the puzzle.

Once again I believe you are misconstruing what someone is attempting to say.

At best, Gee and Samuels are gong to be role players for us, long term. If they are, then yes, we are speeding up the rebuilding process because we will all ready have 2-3 role players. In other words, we don't have to wait until we get 2-3 stars to fill out the bench depth.

The fact that we may or may not have found 2 valuable role players should have no effect onthe team record this year.

Hope this clarifies matters.

 

[Housh]

WOW, you guys are in dream land. I dont even know if Thompson will get to an all star game any time soon. Classic homerism.. Turning an average player into an all star. We go 2-2 and an average player becomes an all star

Yeah youre right I said hes an all star now. I didnt add a list of s*** hed have to do first or nothin. I said hes an all star NOW. I guess half my post just flew right by your and alot of other peoples eyes.

I stand by what I said...add on he would have to increase confidence and aggressivness, but I stand by what I said. defense would have to improve to

 

[Ghost Writer]

It never ceases to amaze me whenever we find something to build on in a win the naysayers rear their ugly heads.

I get it that we won't all agree on every topic but damn guys!

Gee is progressing steadily, I think he will continue as long as he stay's focused and hungry, i see him exceeding expectations.

I personally am excited for Gee, he had a snowballs chance in hell to be retained on this team with all the transitions and uncertanties, however he not only makes the roster he is one of the bright spots this seasons which speaks volumes about his work ethic, I hope his growth continues.

 

[Cavatt]

Gee actually reminds me of a coachable Pavs. Good athleticism, questionable handles, and a shot that is inconsistent. He seems to be playing pretty smart unlike Pavs. He can contribute and not play outside of himself, and he has many areas that he can improve realistically and become a solid player.

 

[Karma]

“I said out of all of our young people, he came back most improved. He's taken his game to a different level. He's been, after Andy (Varejao), our most consistent...”
- Cavs coach Byron Scott on forward Alonzo Gee.

 

[WhoWeAre]

Actually i forget, how long DID it take to get Z?

Wow...you obviously haven't been a fan very long. Z was injured for years, and took a very long time to develop into a serviceable big man in this league. If you had read my entire post, you'd have known that I listed various ways to get role players -- including drafting and developing them.

 

[Karma]

Wow...you obviously haven't been a fan very long. Z was injured for years, and took a very long time to develop into a serviceable big man in this league. If you had read my entire post, you'd have known that I listed various ways to get role players -- including drafting and developing them.

This is of topic but Z was servicable from day 1 (missed first year to injury). There was no development period. He was a big factor in the Cavalier's making the playoffs in his rookie season as a starter the entire season.

Back on topic........for roster flexibility our GM needs to find a couple of guys who can fill a role as a rotation player / fringe starter that are on the minimum or close to. Anthony Parker, Alonzo Gee, Samardo Samuals are three decent examples of this.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

We only had one problem with that team - LeBron quit in the middle of the playoffs. THe role players were fine, that was a championship team.

Revisionist history.

The role players were garbage aside from Shaq for a few games. Lebron deserves blame for that series, but I love how his shitty teammates always get free passes. If the 2010 Cavs won the finals they would have been pushing the 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets, and Rick Barry's Warriors for least talented championship teams ever. In any playoff series Cleveland had the best player and the other team would have next 4 best players. If you wanna blame Lebron, fine. Blame him for not being a miracle worker that couldn't carry that awful supporting cast to a championship.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Revisionist history.

The role players were garbage aside from Shaq for a few games. Lebron deserves blame for that series, but I love how his shitty teammates always get free passes. If the 2010 Cavs won the finals they would have been pushing the 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets, and Rick Barry's Warriors for least talented championship teams ever. In any playoff series Cleveland had the best player and the other team would have next 4 best players. If you wanna blame Lebron, fine. Blame him for not being a miracle worker that couldn't carry that awful supporting cast to a championship.

Yours is the revisionist history. Why does this keep coming up here, even in a thread about ALONZO GEE? Why do people still buy in to the ESPN line of "Cleveland was garbage except for LeBron?" Because we lost so many games last year? You mean after we lost LeBron AND Shaq AND Z AND Delonte - AND Andy for almost the entire season - AND so many others due to injuries that at one point we only had 8 guys dressed to play?

Look, I don't want to repeat all of this over again, nor drag down this thread arguing about LeBron. So I will simply refer to two things I posted in the past, and if you still feel the same way about LeBron and his "shitty teammates" (who we won 66 and 61 games with), then I guess nothing will ever change your mind.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?36809-LeBron-James-Doesn-t-Need-to-Apologize-He-s-already-going-to-hell...-Scott-Raab&p=1127572#post1127572

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?35400-FRONT-OFFICE-The-Real-Problem&p=1051195#post1051195

LeBron was the actual "shitty teammate". Not in terms of talent of course, but in terms of doing what is best for the team, both on the court and off the court.

As for the real topic of this thread, I didn't think much of Gee last year, but he's looking like he could be a very solid backup down the line. Same for Samuels.

 

[Kouki]

Dude you used "LeBron played with former all-stars" as one of your arguments. Really? All the ex-all-stars we had were over the hill. Shaq couldn't even score in a post iso anymore, Ben Wallace got blocked by the rim on half his dunk attempts. Jamison just wasn't that good, who else...Wally? Larry Hughes? Mo Williams? Love Z but he's never been more than a 13/7 guy or so when LeBron was in his prime. Are these the guys that are supposed to compose a great supporting cast? Come on.

I'm not saying LeBron didn't help his teammates enough (he didn't, he froze them out) or that the team was worthless (it wasn't), but he really didn't have that good of a supporting cast.

 

[WhoWeAre]

This is of topic but Z was servicable from day 1 (missed first year to injury). There was no development period. He was a big factor in the Cavalier's making the playoffs in his rookie season as a starter the entire season.

Back on topic........for roster flexibility our GM needs to find a couple of guys who can fill a role as a rotation player / fringe starter that are on the minimum or close to. Anthony Parker, Alonzo Gee, Samardo Samuals are three decent examples of this.

Read the following information for an accurate telling of Z's road to through injuries and what not -- we are both correct Karma. Though you are right, I should not have used the term development. Regardless, my point still stands -- it's not easy to just go and get good role players.

Despite being selected to the All-Rookie First Team in 1997–98 and signing a contract extension in 1998 that was worth $70.9 million over 6 years, Ilgauskas played only in 5 games over the next two seasons. On January 26, 2000, he had a surgery on a fractured navicular bone in his left foot.
He remained the starting center for the Cavaliers in 2000–01. He was injured again in December 2000 and was out for the season. The injury dealt a blow to the Cavaliers. After winning 15 out of 23 games with Ilgauskas, they finished with a 30–52 record.
He returned in December 2001 and was mostly used as a backup to Chris Mihm for the rest of the season.

 

[Kouki]

You have a very odd way of saying "It took Z a long time to become a serviceable role player." You in fact implied that it took a long time to "acquire" Z. So yeah...uh...sorry for msunderstanding you I guess....