Gordon Hayward Safari

[daytripper]

I like Griffin. I like Blatt. I like everything they have said and done so far. If they want Hayward, that is good enough for me.

That's the thing..Ty Corbin was such a horrific coach. Most times a player pretty much is who he is by his 4th year but I really don't think GH has touched the surface of what he can do in the NBA. Blatt could be the perfect coach for him.

 

[jwhitacre13]

That's the thing..Ty Corbin was such a horrific coach. Most times a player pretty much is who he is by his 4th year but I really don't think GH has touched the surface of what he can do in the NBA. Blatt could be the perfect coach for him.

On the other hand, LeBron on a team with real ball movement and an actual offense could shatter every efficiency rating in the league's record books...

 

[MalonesElbows]

That's the thing..Ty Corbin was such a horrific coach. Most times a player pretty much is who he is by his 4th year but I really don't think GH has touched the surface of what he can do in the NBA. Blatt could be the perfect coach for him.

I think he is somewhat hard capped by having very short arms and one of the slowest shooting releases in the NBA.

 

[Jordan]

I think he is somewhat hard capped by having very short arms and one of the slowest shooting releases in the NBA.

Out of 1000+ shots only 54 were blocked (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html). Additionally, 75% of his FGA are jumpers with .81 points per those shots (http://nbawowy.com/query/h2er5nevu2g#/action). Both of those stats are respectable. Are you saying because of his short arms and slow release makes those stats about as good as possible?

 

[curt414]

Either you or the scouting report are off base regarding Hayward's arm length.

I think he is somewhat hard capped by having very short arms and one of the slowest shooting releases in the NBA.

Scouting report
+ Excellent outside shooter. Also capable of creating his own shot off the dribble
+ Has increased his usage rate quickly. Likely to be Jazz's go-to scorer
+ Decent defender who can still add strength. Average rebounder

[...]

While Hayward's playmaking stands out more at small forward, the Jazz have historically defended better with him at shooting guard, where he's unlikely to play much this season. His long arms are an asset against smaller players, but bigger opponents can overpower him at times. Hayward should improve defensively as he adds strength.

 

[TitleTown]

Is the max offer for Hayward strategic? Meaning, is it a win/win depending on the structure of the deal, and who Utah may have to trade or release as a result of matching our offer?

 

[JawJuttinAsasin]

With the Kyrie signing and other raises kicking in next year, the Cavs need to spend this money or else it will diminish or even disappear next year.

 

[Cassity14]

Is the max offer for Hayward strategic? Meaning, is it a win/win depending on the structure of the deal, and who Utah may have to trade or release as a result of matching our offer?

It can be viewed as such because the Cavs are using cap space while they have it. It will be gone this time next year. That's about the only way it can be viewed as 'win win'

 

[TitleTown]

It can be viewed as such because the Cavs are using cap space while they have it. It will be gone this time next year. That's about the only way it can be viewed as 'win win'

Well, diminishing finances is no small thing. So your "only" may be understating the win/win just a bit.

 

[Derek]

Either you or the scouting report are off base regarding Hayward's arm length.



Scouting report
+ Excellent outside shooter. Also capable of creating his own shot off the dribble
+ Has increased his usage rate quickly. Likely to be Jazz's go-to scorer
+ Decent defender who can still add strength. Average rebounder

[...]

While Hayward's playmaking stands out more at small forward, the Jazz have historically defended better with him at shooting guard, where he's unlikely to play much this season. His long arms are an asset against smaller players, but bigger opponents can overpower him at times. Hayward should improve defensively as he adds strength.

A lot of people equate wingspan to arm length. Hayward has some pretty narrow shoulders so his wingspan checks in at a well-below average 6'7.75" while his arms are actually a pretty decent length. He doesn't have crazy long arms or anything, but his length is sufficient.

 

[Kouki]

Either you or the scouting report are off base regarding Hayward's arm length.



Scouting report
+ Excellent outside shooter. Also capable of creating his own shot off the dribble
+ Has increased his usage rate quickly. Likely to be Jazz's go-to scorer
+ Decent defender who can still add strength. Average rebounder

[...]

While Hayward's playmaking stands out more at small forward, the Jazz have historically defended better with him at shooting guard, where he's unlikely to play much this season. His long arms are an asset against smaller players, but bigger opponents can overpower him at times. Hayward should improve defensively as he adds strength.

Via DraftExpress

Height w/out shoes 6'6.75"

Wingspan 6' 7.75"

Not exactly long arms. He is white after all.

 

[daytripper]

Obviously the poster known as "Malones Elbows" is a Jazz fan. If GH is so horrible why are you over here so concerned about him possibly signing an offer sheet with the Cavs? :detective

 

[RDriesen]

NM

 

[dawgpridetosu]

Here's some numbers for what I find to be a very relevant comparison, Nic Batum 2 years ago.

1) a useful link for a rough approximation of the dollar cost of a win. With free agents, it works out to somewhere between $1.5-$1.86M per win
http://wagesofwins.com/2012/07/09/explaining-the-nba-cap-and-the-value-of-a-win/

2) Nic Batum was signed to a 4 year/$46M offer sheet based on potential coming off a season in which he had 4.8 win shares. Using the math, this means they would have projected him to generate about 6.76 win shares per year over the life of the contract (using $1.7M per win)

3) He had win shares of 5.8 and 7.9 over the first two years of the contract.

4) Gordon Hayward's best year, when he wasn't the focal point, was 5.4 wins.

5) If Gordon gets 15 million a year, the Cavs would be projecting his win shares to average 8.8 over the life of the deal.

6) list of players who didn't average 8.8 win shares over the last 4 years: Aldridge, Horford, Millsap, Westbrook, Ginobili, David Lee, Ibaka and there's more.

No way do I want to give Gordon the max.

 

[eighter08]

not advocating a max deal, and I don't understand all these "advanced metrics" numbers but I do know Hayward was 1 of only 5 guys to average 15/5/5 last year. seems like he would be a good fit on a solid team