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Gordon suspension reduced to 10, 12 if convicted of DWI

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If we're looking to the NFL as the entity that is supposed to punish criminal behavior that has no relation to football, we're looking in the wrong place.

I'm curious as to why so many people assume it is the job of the NFL to punish wife-beaters, or other criminals, for that matter. The NFL clearly must impose discipline for offenses that are related to football. And to the extent there are issues surrounding whether or not particular conduct is "football-related", that stuff gets negotiated between the Player's Association and the league, and addressed specifically in the CBA. In terms of substance abuse, there were specific penalties negotiated for specific conduct, because quite simply, the criminal justice system is neither intended to nor capable of determining whether the performance of a player is being boosted or adversely affected (PED's versus recreational drugs). So, the league addresses that stuff specifically, in writing, so that everyone knows the punishments associated with particular acts.

But I think there is a real problem with what seems to be a growing trend of expecting sports leagues to police conduct that has nothing to do with their sport. Those leagues don't have courts, or real judges, or written codes that prescribe a range of punishments for particular non-sports related crimes. They inherently have to just make the shit up as they go along. No wonder some people aren't happy with the result.

What absolutely blows my mind with respect to this is the complete absence of any criticism of the criminal justice system. The average employer wouldn't do a damn thing about spousal abuse -- might not even know. And to the extent the employer did learn of it, a great many of them would say that they are going to let the courts handle it because that is what the courts are supposed to do.

Rice apparently was treated the same by the legal system as any other person under the same set of facts. The case was handled by a female DA, and that jurisdiction has a first time domestic violence offender program where you don't get convicted or sent to jail if you do a diversion program. So just think about what that means for a second. Beat up your wife/girlfriend/whatever, and that system is intended to let you off with no real punishment at all. That's what happens to everyone who beats their wife/girlfriend who isn't an NFL player. All those other women don't even get the satisfaction of seeing the guy lose a few hundred thousand. Nothing happens to them at all.

And, yet, nobody is bitching about that. Isn't the criminal justice system supposed to be the one imposing just penalties for beating up your wife/girlfriend? I'm just floored by people thinking that it is the NFL that is supposed to police that -- not the, you know, police. All the bitching is going up completely the wrong tree, because the fact that a woman got beaten up by someone other than an NFL player, and no real penalty was imposed on the guy, would have been the norm, and ignored by 99% of the population because it is so unremarkable. Yet, that is the core problem here. And utterly ignored.

I personally don't think the league should be in the business of imposing punishments for these kind of events, simply because they are not set up to do it, and there is no real way to maintain proportionality and fairness. What's the penalty is if you didn't hit your girlfriend, but rather just slugged some guy in a bar and broke his jaw? 3 games? 1 game? What if it is petty theft, or fraud, or tax evasion, or any other of the hundreds of offenses that are supposed to be handled by the criminal justice system we voters put into place? 6 games for a hit and run? It's ridiculous.

Interesting counter point.

With regards to your question of why the NFL feels obligated to punish players for actions done outside of the football field, I think the answer is simple. The NFL is very dissimilar to your average business/employer. The NFL is a very public business where their employees (Coaches, GMs, Players, etc) are household names. They have a significant interest in making sure their people are law abiding citizens. If the league comes off as a bunch of criminals or overall bad guys, the sport in total suffers which is bad for business.

The backlash over the Ray Rice stuff is damaging to the league and personally I think they shot themselves in the foot by giving him a short suspension. Many of the NFL's paying customers and probably more importantly most of the influencers of the NFL's paying customers are outraged by the stance the NFL took in this case. Domestic abuse is a real problem and giving Rice a slap on the wrist tells people what he did was bad but not bad enough to keep him off the football field too long.

There have been reports that Rice wasn't the only guilty party in this. He clearly hit her and knocked her out but whispers are that she was doing something to get him going. If those reports are true than it's all the more reason to suspend him longer to punish not only him but her as well. Cutting money off for 2 games hurts a little but in the grand scheme of things it probably isn't that bad. However; if you take half a season or a full season away I bet that hurts their lifestyle quite a bit. If she was indeed part of the problem, cutting their income hurts her just as much as it hurts him.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>At least so far, the Browns are letting Josh Gordon avoid the media. Not cool. Also: It's a violation of NFL policy.</p>— Bart Hubbuch (@HubbuchNYP) <a href="https://twitter.com/HubbuchNYP/statuses/493463859060293632">July 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This guy right here

Is he right? Honest question.

This guy really is obnoxious to begin with so I'm not 100% sure he's correct just based on him whining all the time.
 
Is he right? Honest question.

This guy really is obnoxious to begin with so I'm not 100% sure he's correct just based on him whining all the time.

I don't believe he is, though there are certain minimums which need to be met at some point.

Not sure when that point is, so I can't answer that definitively. I know the Redskins didn't let RGIII speak to the media about his recovery last off-season and that ruffled some media feathers as well.

Such a fickle group, all about articles which everyone knows are just going to tear into him anyway. I doubt the Browns are in any rush.
 
I predict 8 games or less and a revise to the NFL drug policy. Didn't he check himself into a rehab facility? I thoughI saw a tweet about it last week.
 
I'm wondering if the fact that the punishment is pending has any effect on Josh's media availability. You know everyone concerned for his career is probably telling him to keep as quiet as can be until Friday is over.

Also, here we go again with Hubbuch.

^^ Yes, Josh apparently checked himself into a rehab facility in California for 2 weeks voluntarily after the incident in North Carolina. Doubt it plays part in the pending suspension.
 
I predict 8 games or less and a revise to the NFL drug policy. Didn't he check himself into a rehab facility? I thoughI saw a tweet about it last week.

B/c of all the crap he has screwed up I bet it won't play a role into his sentencing. He probably didn't even want to do it but was told it would help in case he does get suspended a year, for next year.
 
Is he right? Honest question.

I don't believe he is, though there are certain minimums which need to be met at some point.

2014 NFL Media Relations Policy (PWFA)

4. TRAINING CAMP ACCESS – Beginning the first day of preseason training camp through at least the completion of Week 2 of the NFL preseason schedule, all daily practices must be open in their entirety to local media (those who regularly cover the team). It is permissible to limit the videotaping or photographing of certain portions of training camp practices.

All players and the head coach must be available to the media for interviews on a regular basis (not necessarily in the locker room) during the entire preseason period (through Week 4 of the preseason schedule). As in the regular season, one or two players with heavy media demands may be made available to local media once per practice week throughout training camp and the preseason (not including preseason game days). All players must be available to the media following preseason games. Clubs must make several players available to media on the day the team reports to training camp, generally the day before the first practice session.

So, seems to depend on what your definition of "on a regular basis."
 
If Gordon is suspended for a year, and is forced to miss part of training camp next year, Goodell needs to explain why he dragged his feet for four months hearing an appeal.

Of course, he was the point man and getting expansion Browns up and running, and dragged his feet on that to. A decade+ of letting us twist in the wind. Thanks Goodell!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Josh Gordon has hired attorney Maurice Suh, who helped Richard Sherman win his appeal. Suh will work w/ noted NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/493882784650649600">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Had someone tell me today that this is a pretty good sign Gordon will see action this season.

Guy isn't directly connected but I know he has ties to Suh and basically said that he probably wouldn't have agreed to help without a great chance of getting him a lesser punishment.

Not exactly a bomb, but sounds about right IMO.

Personally I'm expecting eight games.
 
Had someone tell me today that this is a pretty good sign Gordon will see action this season.

Guy isn't directly connected but I know he has ties to Suh and basically said that he probably wouldn't have agreed to help without a great chance of getting him a lesser punishment.

Not exactly a bomb, but sounds about right IMO.

Personally I'm expecting eight games.

Boobie Bomb!
 
Had someone tell me today that this is a pretty good sign Gordon will see action this season.

Guy isn't directly connected but I know he has ties to Suh and basically said that he probably wouldn't have agreed to help without a great chance of getting him a lesser punishment.

Not exactly a bomb, but sounds about right IMO.

Personally I'm expecting eight games.

There is zero chance some guy on the line at Taco Bell knows anything about what is going to happen to Josh Gordon.
 
If he's only getting 8 games, it's time to give him snaps with the 1st and 2nd squad.
 
A winning attorney doesn't hitch himself to a losing case. Very good sign.

Hopefully we don't hear the people clamoring about "He doesn't deserve to play, Pettine should suspend him.." yada yada yada.

We have never heard any bad reports about poor behavior around the team and generally speaking, receivers don't come in and set the league on fire very often. This tells me he is a hard worker and, for whatever shortcomings he has in judgment, he must have a good mind for football.

It's my opinion that, if what you do doesn't affect your performance at work or people around you, do whatever the hell makes you happy, enjoy life. Just don't get caught again :chuckles:. There's ways around it...I highly doubt that at least 30% of players in the NFL don't smoke pot on a semi regular basis. Do what they do, then tear it up JG. I really don't care.
 

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