gun control

[David.]

I read yours about ten pages back, and the fact that you dont know a thing about how our society/culture works or even your own gun laws. Other than that, I've stayed out of this thread because you guys eat too much red meat and get worked up about it for anyones health and resort to acting like children to 'win internet battles'.

 

[Jack Brickman]

please explain how separating reality from fantasy has any correlation to mimicking behavior rather than using insults like a 5 year old, if your mental capacity allows it.

In response to your next nugget of gold, unfortunately we deal in a world of realities. You can't get rid of the mentally unsound and 'not structuring our media around these people' (see also: not glorifying violence) is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You can't get rid of the mentally unsound, but you can provide better healthcare that helps to diagnose them early and offer more adequate treatment than simply tossing meds at them.

Not structuring our media around the mentally unsound is simply saying we shouldn't have to censor ourselves because a small group of mentally ill people may be unhealthily drawn to it. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly argue this point. Instead, we should do as I suggested above and attempt to actually diagnose and treat mental illness rather than sweeping it under a rug and blaming games and music.

We shouldn't be required to structure our gun laws around mentally unsound people. That's stupid.

Shows how hypocritical you are.

Not really. I'll bring it back to the quote in the article I posted a few pages back:

Tens of millions of these games are sold and tens of millions of people play them on a regular basis and how many of these people become violent killers? It’s actually very similar to gun ownership stats: very few gun owners end up going on shooting rampages. Very few gamers go on shooting rampages. Neither guns nor video games cause people to be violent.

The really important distinction is that guns actually do give people the capacity to carry out great harm. That’s why people look at guns and think “We should have reasonable restrictions on gun ownership.”

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right, he did not explain his point, which is what I am asking for.

Your last statement does not serve as its own explanation. Simply stating that 'separating reality from fantasy is the most important' does not explain in any shape, way or form why someone would think that it is.

And idk whose argument was that video games make people violent, but if youre assuming its me, please dont put words in my mouth.

I wasn't the one who made the reality/fantasy argument to begin with, so I'll go ahead and let MRM sum it up in his inevitable reply.

As for your last sentence there, it was the NRA, actually. Their statement following Sandy Hook blamed video games and the media, and then two weeks later they released their own iOS shooter game. I simply stated how hypocritical that was, which launched us into this whole debate.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I read yours about ten pages back, and the fact that you dont know a thing about how our society/culture works or even your own gun laws. Other than that, I've stayed out of this thread because you guys eat too much red meat and get worked up about it for anyones health and resort to acting like children to 'win internet battles'.

LOL I love when people who have spent several pages arguing on the internet try to pretend they're above arguing on the internet.

 

[cavman]

More drugs for the children!!!

I have felt for years that drugs play a huge factor in these school killings. I also think teen suicide can be linked to the drugs also. I have first hand experience on what some of these drugs do to the mind. My mother and brother have even had the local news do a story on them that exposed the nasty side effects of the drug singulair.

 

[David.]

LOL I love when people who have spent several pages arguing on the internet try to pretend they're above arguing on the internet.

Out of the 69 pages I have maybe 5 posts. None of which provoked anyone to use immature tactics like calling everybody stupid because they disagree. Another great point you've made, internet he-man

 

[Jack Brickman]

Out of the 69 pages I have maybe 5 posts. None of which provoked anyone to use immature tactics like calling everybody stupid because they disagree. Another great point you've made, internet he-man

I didn't call everyone stupid. Just you. And it was for making a really stupid point, so I stand by it.

 

[Notorious]

You can't get rid of the mentally unsound, but you can provide better healthcare that helps to diagnose them early and offer more adequate treatment than simply tossing meds at them.

Not structuring our media around the mentally unsound is simply saying we shouldn't have to censor ourselves because a small group of mentally ill people may be unhealthily drawn to it. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly argue this point. Instead, we should do as I suggested above and attempt to actually diagnose and treat mental illness rather than sweeping it under a rug and blaming games and music.

You're arguing that same point for people who have guns. They should lose their rights because of mentally ill people. What makes media different?

Also there is no treatment other than drugs. The drug companies control modern medicine.

 

[David.]

You still have yet to logically explain how the inability to separate fantasy from reality = mimicking aggressive/violent behavior. You must have your reasons, child brain

 

[David.]

You're arguing that same point for people who have guns. They should lose their rights because of mentally ill people. What makes media different?

Also there is no treatment other than drugs. The drug companies control modern medicine.

"I am Jack's utter lack of frontal lobe". "I may or may not be able to separate fantasy from reality, therefore I act out aggressively on a messageboard and sometimes argue with my own points"

 

[Jack Brickman]

You're arguing that same point for people who have guns. They should lose their rights because of mentally ill people. What makes media different?

Also there is no treatment other than drugs. The drug companies control modern medicine.

Because the main difference between a video game and a gun is that you can kill someone with a gun.

Look, I've already made all of my arguments for what I would like to see regarding changes or adjustments to gun laws. I'm not going to make them again. And they had very little if anything to do with mentally ill people, but rather with the fact that guns are in fact dangerous weapons.

 

[shukle]

Didn't you just said you were over arguing on the internet? The whole Reality/fantasy point is completely rational, just read the last couple pages and you will get it. If not, then just stop bringing it up, this topic is getting out of hand.

As for Notorious, read our posts please... Jack and I already said like 4 times why we believe in gun control and mentally unsound people have nothing to do with it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

"I am Jack's utter lack of frontal lobe". "I may or may not be able to separate fantasy from reality, therefore I act out aggressively on a messageboard and sometimes argue with my own points"

Now who's using childish insults?

 

[Notorious]

Because the main difference between a video game and a gun is that you can kill someone with a gun.

Look, I've already made all of my arguments for what I would like to see regarding changes or adjustments to gun laws. I'm not going to make them again. And they had very little if anything to do with mentally ill people, but rather with the fact that guns are in fact dangerous weapons.

The difference is that some people who have killed have blamed video games or they were found to be part of the cause. When Obama says things like "If we can save 1 life" you better believe that applies to video games and every other thing in this world. You're awaking a dragon of which you don't understand the consequences yet. Cars are dangerous weapons in some cases, people use them to kill. In the city where you live guns may not be needed. Not all of us live in the city so to some of us guns are tools just like a car.

"If we can save just one life" is such a slippery slope. Be careful what you wish for. You may not like guns and you also may not like when the government pries into your life and bans things you like under the pretenses of saving just one life. Tread carefully.

 

[Notorious]

Didn't you just said you were over arguing on the internet? The whole Reality/fantasy point is completely rational, just read the last couple pages and you will get it. If not, then just stop bringing it up, this topic is getting out of hand.

As for Notorious, read our posts please... Jack and I already said like 4 times why we believe in gun control and mentally unsound people have nothing to do with it.

Does your country lock up pedophiles?

Why are you trying to fix ours? Fix your own first. Then come show us the way.

 

[shukle]

Does your country lock up pedophiles?

Why are you trying to fix ours? Fix your own first. Then come show us the way.

My country does lock up pedophiles, and I don't believe it is the solution.

Like I said, I don't believe Belgium's got it all right, far from it. I can't fix any of my country's problem, neither can you. If I stand by your opinion, you shouldn't be arguing either... What are you currently fixing? But you know, I have heard this argument so much : hey you dirty foreigner, shut up you don't know sh*t. What a wonderful display of openmindness. Thank you for reminding me why the US has such a shitty reputation in the world (again, that's a fact, not my opinion, I wouldn't be on this forum andI wouldn't have wasted a year living in Ohio if I believed so)