Hackers Release Information on Westboro Baptist Church Members After CT Threat

[Otsego Mar]

I can see where you're coming from. It's easier to trust the military because you probably believe, at the end of the day, they have our country's best interests at heart. Whereas with Anonymous, you know that, by and large, they have their own best interests at heart.

That said, unethical is unethical. That doesn't mean you can't accept an unethical act (like how I don't really feel bad for the WBC being hacked because they're a group of bigots), but at the same time you should still be able to recognize it as unethical.

Also...the military may have our best interests in their minds...but I know the government as a whole and politicians do not. And we all need to start understanding this.

 

[Otsego Mar]

You do realize that they're not all Americans, right? Anonymous does whatever they feel like doing. Sometimes they target people who deserve it. Sometimes they don't. They have their own best interests at heart.

I apologize, let me rephrase my statement. They have the best interest of this world in their minds. Again, I'm not advocating any type of crime or trying to make this seem like it's a legal act.

 

[Maximus]

For the record, I still don't think hacking by the military is ethical. I feel the same way about military hacking as I do about drone strikes: it's not ethical, but it may make us safer. That's the inevitable question, though, isn't it? Do the ends justify the means?

We are getting attacked every minute of every day with Cyberattacks...we are at war. It's not a matter of just coming up with a better defense. There's only one way to combat it, and that's to find the sources of the attacks and hacking back. I don't think they should be given carte blanche to do as they please with US citizens. There should be a file created every time they want to see what a private citizen is doing. If someone is suspected of plotting terrorism, distributing child porn or planning on shooting up a school they should be allowed to see what you are doing. That's ethical.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Also...the military may have our best interests in their minds...but I know the government as a whole and politicians do not. And we all need to start understanding this.

Oh, I have no doubt about that. I was just implying that it's naturally easier to trust the military than it is to trust a group of (forgive the awful pun) anonymous hackers with unknown agendas.

I apologize, let me rephrase my statement. They have the best interest of this world in their minds. Again, I'm not advocating any type of crime or trying to make this seem like it's a legal act.

Again, I have to disagree. Not everything these guys do is noble, and pretending otherwise is delusional.

 

[Otsego Mar]

You let passion confuse logic often. I respect your passion, but no one here wants to protect their rights. We want to uphold the constitution. There is a bigger need there. That is all. It is way to minor of an issue for a constitutional amendment. Amendments freed the slaves, gave woman the rights to vote, made alcohol illegal then legalized it again. These are huge issues, protesting funerals is way to narrowly focused.

I just wish we lived in a world were this isnt even an issue.

So do I. But again, amendments shall be made.

Listen, this isn't a big deal to any of us because the liklihood of anybody protesting one of our funerals is ZILCH. Can you imagine, though, that 200 years from now, those 40 people have now grown to what I spoke of before? If you don't think that is a possibility, you're sorely mistaken and history will never fail to repeat itself. It's not about how many people. It is about what these 40 people have been able to do to our country and the people we are supposed to REALLY be protecting.

It's quite the mockery.

 

[Jack Brickman]

We are getting attacked every minute of every day with Cyberattacks...we are at war. It's not a matter of just coming up with a better defense. There's only one way to combat it, and that's to find the sources of the attacks and hacking back. I don't think they should be given carte blanche to do as they please with US citizens. There should be a file created every time they want to see what a private citizen is doing. If someone is suspected of plotting terrorism, distributing child porn or planning on shooting up a school they should be allowed to see what you are doing. That's ethical.

You're basically highlighting the difference between ethical and a necessary evil.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Oh, I have no doubt about that. I was just implying that it's naturally easier to trust the military than it is to trust a group of (forgive the awful pun) anonymous hackers with unknown agendas.



Again, I have to disagree. Not everything these guys do is noble, and pretending otherwise is delusional.

Alright, I'm not pretending everything they do is noble.

 

[Maximus]

Nope...they only have the best interest of this country in their minds. Look at who they target. Again, I'm not saying what they are doing should be legal, but all you have to do is look at who they target.

That's totally absurd...

 

[Otsego Mar]

Hacking by our military or authorities, I'm fine with. I'm doing nothing that would interest them and they are trying to make me safer.

Hacking by private citizens should be illegal in all cases. It's an invasion of privacy and in many cases - theft.
If a skilled hacker wants to help bring down the next Hitler, join the military or law enforcement...or work with them and sell your ability as a contract hacker. If you are skilled at it I am sure it can be a very rewarding job with benefits. Unfortunately, it's mostly done by people making their own rules about who they think is bad and isn't bad. I just read the other day that hackers are now able to access smart tvs and watch you...they already can do it to computers and phones. Someone posted in the WTF thread a bunch of links that showed LIVE video of people in their homes. The first one I clicked on was a grandmother watching TV...i'm assuming their kids put a nanny cam or something in her home so they could monitor her. Some neckbeard hacked into it and now it's being broadcast around the internet. There were dozens of links posted...i was terrified to click another and wish i hadn't clicked the first. If there were dozens of these links being posted in and RCF thread, that means there are 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of people being watched in their homes that don't know it....their KIDS are being watched.
Also, think about how much negative impact hackers are causing our economy with viruses, theft of databases, theft of banking accounts, theft of intellectual property, etc.

Hacking by the public should always be a jailable offense. Period.

These are words from Anonymous -
"We are anonymous
We do not have members or leaders
We are a group of people doing what we want
The President fears us "

I fear them too...

Thanks for that information. Sure, I would fear them too if they went after me. But they won't.

The quote "We do what we want" can be dangerous. From what I've read, however, they really only target those who are corrupt. And again Max, I understand we're getting into that gray area. I'm willing to fight in that gray area to define black and white. I'm also willing to turn a blind eye, just like the towing company did in the example you presented.

 

[Otsego Mar]

We are getting attacked every minute of every day with Cyberattacks...we are at war. It's not a matter of just coming up with a better defense. There's only one way to combat it, and that's to find the sources of the attacks and hacking back. I don't think they should be given carte blanche to do as they please with US citizens. There should be a file created every time they want to see what a private citizen is doing. If someone is suspected of plotting terrorism, distributing child porn or planning on shooting up a school they should be allowed to see what you are doing. That's ethical.

Max, your ideas are spot on and very noble, but I have little faith that my government will do exactly as you detailed. The abuse of power, corruption, violence, and ignorance is everywhere....that's the real plague.

 

[pr26]

I remember when Big Mar used to just post in safari threads and talk about jail bait :chuckles:

As far as this argument is concerned, I have a hard time feeling bad for anything that happens to the WBC.

As far as Anonymous, I've never seen them target anyone other than people or corporations fucking over others. Max brings up some good points, but I just don't take it as seriously.

 

[Otsego Mar]

That's totally absurd...

We [Anonymous] just happen to be a group of people on the internet who need—just kind of an outlet to do as we wish, that we wouldn't be able to do in regular society. ...That's more or less the point of it. Do as you wish. ... There's a common phrase: 'we are doing it for the lulz.'

When I hear a quote like that, yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

However, until someone can provide me evidence they have used hacking to harm otherwise innocent people (yes, yes, I know, we are getting into some gray area) I'm willing to bite my tongue for now.

 

[Jack Brickman]

We [Anonymous] just happen to be a group of people on the internet who need—just kind of an outlet to do as we wish, that we wouldn't be able to do in regular society. ...That's more or less the point of it. Do as you wish. ... There's a common phrase: 'we are doing it for the lulz.'

When I hear a quote like that, yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Glad to see that all it took was ten seconds of research into Anonymous for you to realize that you were wrong.

 

[No Regard]

Max, your ideas are spot on and very noble, but I have little faith that my government will do exactly as you detailed. The abuse of power, corruption, violence, and ignorance is everywhere....that's the real plague.

But you have faith in an organization that won't even reveal who they really are?

 

[Otsego Mar]

Glad to see that all it took was ten seconds of research into Anonymous for you to realize that you were wrong.

True...but you see what I did? Yes hacking is illegal, I'm not arguing that. I think, however, you just think it's unethical PERIOD. Am I correct?