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Here's a fun question to be discussed about 2014. I'd love YOUR take

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If James comes back the Cavs instantly become contenders to at reach the Finals. There wouldn't be a team in the Eastern Conference with 2 better players than Kyrie Irving and James. It would be the Cavaliers and the Bulls provided Derrick Rose is completely back.
 
Just comparing talent levels surrounding a single great player. Wondering how many less wins the projected lineup would be compared to the 66 win season. A second year for Zeller...will he improve as much as TT? Will he be as good as on old Big Z? Will Dion get better and be better than Delonte? Is Speights superior to 33 year old Joe Smith? These types of questions. Byron may NOT be the guy they move forward with based on his history with young players and established vets.

MikeOC33 said:
To the OP...

just want to clear some things up.... are you saying that the 14-15 lineup you propose is better than the 08-09 roster, or are you asking for poster's predictions of what they think will happen? You don't mention who you think the 1st round picks will be for 2013 or 2014- which certainly is important, and you mention that Byron will be expiring... are you suggesting the Cavs will have a new HC?
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Projecting draft picks is dodgy. I was more curious how our current guys (Ky, Dion, TT, Gee, Zeller, Speights, Miles) compare with the guys that surrounded LeBron in 2009-09. This is NOT so much a LeBron discussion, as a look at our current talent compared to 2008 minus LeBron.
 
440 said:
Except for the fact that in 2014 Kyrie and Lebron will most likely be 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA. In my opinion the Nets don't even have a top 10 player.
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Thompson and Noel is a scary combo. Scary as in, not a lot of success for the Cavs.

We're looking to build a championship team here. Between the 4 and 5, one needs to have some sort of 15-18 footer. That's why I am all about drafting Len. It would be a major disappointment if Noel's name is called for us in June.
 
moohead said:
Just comparing talent levels surrounding a single great player. Wondering how many less wins the projected lineup would be compared to the 66 win season.
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Sounds pretty simple. All you need to do is project out where the rooks will be in 2-3 years, then predict where & who we draft for the next two years, plus figure out who management wants and is able to trade, and then figure out what we get back in trades. Then, based on the prior simple calculation, you just have to figure out how the team leadership, chemistry, and coaching will tweek all the human intagibles in the process. It's that simple and once you do it, noone will disagree with your estimations because you'll also be able to tell them in advance all of the games missed because of injuries that we'll see in 2015.

Moral of this story: You can't line up players by stats on opening day and accurately predict wins. 66 wins was a special year and was more than just talent. It took a lot of good health, hard work, player sacrifices & lucky bounces to get there.
 
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Homestar said:
Thompson and Noel is a scary combo. Scary as in, not a lot of success for the Cavs.

We're looking to build a championship team here. Between the 4 and 5, one needs to have some sort of 15-18 footer. That's why I am all about drafting Len. It would be a major disappointment if Noel's name is called for us in June.
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Prepare for disappointment because Grant is known for drafting on sheer upside ala TT and Dion. If Noel is on the board I wouldn't be surprised I'd be happy, 2 hyperactive bigs with one as a blocking machine and can pass while the other scores on hooks and screens regularly. We already got Zeller as a big that shoots.
 
Douglar said:
Sounds pretty simple. All you need to do is project out where the rooks will be in 2-3 years, then predict where & who we draft for the next two years, plus figure out who management wants and is able to trade, and then figure out what we get back in trades. Then, based on the prior simple calculation, you just have to figure out how the team leadership, chemistry, and coaching will tweek all the human intagibles in the process. It's that simple and once you do it, noone will disagree with your estimations because you'll also be able to tell them in advance all of the games missed because of injuries that we'll see in 2015.

Moral of this story: You can't line up players by stats on opening day and accurately predict wins. 66 wins was a special year and was more than just talent. It took a lot of good health, hard work, player sacrifices & lucky bounces to get there.
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I vote we just build a time machine.
 
This thread is just too terrible.

People sincerely just don't understand that there's no way we can afford to keep Tristan (if he keeps developing this way), Dion, Kyrie, AND add guys like Shabazz or LeBron and Kevin Love to other contracts too?

There's a reason teams are forced to trade the James Hardens/Rudy Gays of the world.

This should go in the Trade ideas/ridiculous fantasies thread.

Some of these threads, man.. :chuckles:
 
Triplethreat said:
This thread is just too terrible.

People sincerely just don't understand that there's no way we can afford to keep Tristan (if he keeps developing this way), Dion, Kyrie, AND add guys like Shabazz or LeBron and Kevin Love to other contracts too?

There's a reason teams are forced to trade the James Hardens/Rudy Gays of the world.

This should go in the Trade ideas/ridiculous fantasies thread.

Some of these threads, man.. :chuckles:
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Yeah but in 2014 Waiters will still be on his rookie contract, as will anyone we draft after him. Also, I think we'll be able to sign Thompson for less than he'll eventually be worth, and I also think he may take a bit less money to stay here and play with a guy like Kyrie (and LeBron if he returns).
 
Jack Brickman said:
Yeah but in 2014 Waiters will still be on his rookie contract, as will anyone we draft after him. Also, I think we'll be able to sign Thompson for less than he'll eventually be worth, and I also think he may take a bit less money to stay here and play with a guy like Kyrie (and LeBron if he returns).
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LeBron isn't coming back. It's just not happening. I'd rather whoop his ass in the ECF anyways, would be much more rewarding on the way to getting that ring.

Anyways, it doesn't matter, because eventually we're going to have to send one packing. You can't garner star power at 5/5 starting positions in the NBA. It doesn't work that way. You have room enough for 2.5 in all honesty.
 
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