Hurricane Patricia: 200 MPH Strongest storm ever

[gourimoko]

I instantly think "are we talking about climate change in general, or just man-made climate change?". Because otherwise, the discussion usually goes right into how much the climate is changing overall, and not how much of that change is caused by man.

You realize there have been hundreds of studies that demonstrate the fact that a great deal of climate change is directly caused by man-made activity?

 

[Otsego Mar]

You realize there have been hundreds of studies that demonstrate the fact that a great deal of climate change is directly caused by man-made activity?

There's a lot of studies to show a lot of things that people want to show.

This isn't anything new.

 

[The Oi]

There's a lot of studies to show a lot of things that people want to show.

This isn't anything new.

If Mar was a type of pizza, he'd be a Domino's Supreme Pizza that a dog ate out of the trash and threw up on the sidewalk. Then a homeless guy slept in the pizza throw-up and tracked the pizza throw up down the street in the morning. Then a sewer rat ate the pizza.

Then the pizza was used as renewable energy.

 

[The Oi]

It begs the question of how much evidence it would take to convince any one of them of even the slimmest possibility that they may be wrong.

It boils down to this: Either folks willfully ignore the mountains of data that exist (because Conservatism is more like a religious identity now more than an ideology) or have sifted through the data, and have done their due diligence, and have concluded that warming is not anthropogenic in nature.

And by study I mean going through the data personally and not receiving the Cliff's Notes from Sean Hannity.

Let's be real. If you're listening to Hannity, you're not going to be changing your mind about anything you didn't believe right before the show came on any given day. He's re-affirming the outrage people need to power them through the day.

Same with Rush.

I love Ann Coulter though. And not because I agree with her opinions. She's managed to harness the hatred that white America has for anything that's different or threatens change and propel it into money paid for her books.

She's even more entertaining than Trump.

 

[MRMsix6]

If Mar was a type of pizza, he'd be a Domino's Supreme Pizza that a dog ate out of the trash and threw up on the sidewalk. Then a homeless guy slept in the pizza throw-up and tracked the pizza throw up down the street in the morning. Then a sewer rat ate the pizza.

Then the pizza was used as renewable energy.

I may be wrong, but this sounds eerily like the origin story for Ninja Turtles.

Is Mar a mutant ninja turtle posing as a human on the internet? Stranger things have happened...

 

[natedagg]

Do Republicans find it interesting that denying human influenced climate change is restricted almost exclusively to Republicans and the Republican radio and TV show hosts/ thought leaders who talk about it?

Any thoughts as to why and how this became a political rather than scientific issue?

Who does denying it benefit? And are you part of that group?

The whole repub/dem thing is an incredible farce.
They put poors in jail and incite racial boundaries. The effect is the inmates fight the wrong enemy, and they stay in jail but don't overthrow.
They give the citizens a choice between 2 political identities, and the farce writes itself.

It's so bad, if KI votes Republican, it's "wow." Like he is a traitor. It's like a witch hunt. Not just for this example, but even candidate voting records. So trump, you used to vote left and now, gasp, you don't. Why should we vote for you when you proved that you changed your mind? What about the issues? Oh those, well yes, in the context of how my party votes, I will address them. It's comitragic.

What does this have to do with climate change? If you can't tell then stop wasting oxygen.

 

[Coyote850]

All I can say is Mexico got fuckin A lucky. I have driven through the remnants of a hurricane, its not fun. Actually going through one has to be horrific. Thank God this storm weakened as fast as it did and hit in a area that did not cause catastrophic damage.

 

[KI4MVP]

All I can say is Mexico got fuckin A lucky. I have driven through the remnants of a hurricane, its not fun. Actually going through one has to be horrific. Thank God this storm weakened as fast as it did and hit in a area that did not cause catastrophic damage.

it also likely helped them that the storm passed through so quickly and didn't just sit there for hours and hours.

 

[The Oi]

The whole repub/dem thing is an incredible farce.
They put poors in jail and incite racial boundaries. The effect is the inmates fight the wrong enemy, and they stay in jail but don't overthrow.
They give the citizens a choice between 2 political identities, and the farce writes itself.

It's so bad, if KI votes Republican, it's "wow." Like he is a traitor. It's like a witch hunt. Not just for this example, but even candidate voting records. So trump, you used to vote left and now, gasp, you don't. Why should we vote for you when you proved that you changed your mind? What about the issues? Oh those, well yes, in the context of how my party votes, I will address them. It's comitragic.

What does this have to do with climate change? If you can't tell then stop wasting oxygen.

It's really genius how the political climate (get it?) has been manipulated so you've got middle to lower class white people identifying with a Republican party whose leaders share almost nothing in common with them and do nothing advantageous for them. And they do it because they want to be able to identify with the rich people who have ingeniously designed this patriotism/gun ownership/religious/pro-life platform that, hey...even the poor and middle class people can access because all of it costs nothing.

If Republicans ever want to get into office again, I genuinely believe they're going to need to find someone willing to blast the Tea Party lunatics, call Marco Rubio a fake, make America realize that the ONLY positive thing Trump is bringing to the table is showing us how owned these politicians are by the elites and pull a Pope Francis and say, "everyone before me was a fucking idiot. Bring us your gays, your blacks, your immigrants and we'll let them live their lives in peace, free to enjoy the awesomeness this country has to offer. Everyone get in here and hug it out."

Who the fuck is out there that can do that..I have no idea.

But Republicans keep coming off as unrelateable, elite class lunatics while the Democrats put up guys who are tech savvy, relateable and at least CLAIM to want to help the middle class that makes up the bulk of this country.

I still don't understand the appeal of Hillary and I will never forgive that dumbfuck country music video she did.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I thought I heard Mexico is adopting the Yuan....

If @The Oi was a pizza he'd be a meatlovers pizza that two gay guys ate and then 24 hours later he ended up on their dicks, then back into their mouths. Thusly, the cycle would repeat indefinitely and Jigs would live in the intestinal tracks of homosexuals.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The whole repub/dem thing is an incredible farce.
They put poors in jail and incite racial boundaries. The effect is the inmates fight the wrong enemy, and they stay in jail but don't overthrow.

Yeah, it's too bad all those noble
murderers, rapists, and drug leaders can't lead us all to freedom so we can build a better world....

Holy fuck.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

it's really inevitable that alternatives will eventually be more cost effective.

Of course it is. The price of fossil fuels inevitably will increase because 1) the supply wil become more scarce, and 2) extraction coats will increase. No argument there.

Solar relies on an energy source that is effectively unlimited and falls from the sky for free.

But collecting, storing, and processing that energy into usuable forms is not free. Nor does it mean it thay it will ever be cheaper than the cost of fossil fuels right now.

That pretty much has to eventually be more cost effective than using a limited resource that has to be found and extracted from under ground. The question is how many resources to we put into reaching that point earlier rather than later.

Eventually? Sure, for all the reasons I stated before. But that has absolutely nothing to do with whether it makes sense to invest gargantuan sums in trying to force that conversion before the cost of fossil fuels rises enough to make economic sense.

I just paid $1.99/gallon for gas, and that's with all the taxes taken into account. Forcing move from a fuel source that is cheaper right now simply because it will eventually be more expensive doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[KI4MVP]

I just paid $1.99/gallon for gas, and that's with all the taxes taken into account. Forcing move from a fuel source that is cheaper right now simply because it will eventually be more expensive doesn't make a lot of sense.

Your assumption is already false. The best milage a gas only car gets is 41 mpg (maybe I missed something that does better). Even at $1.99/gallon that's 4.8 cents per mile. Electric cars costs about 3 cents per mile when using solar power to charge them, which currently costs about 10 cents per KWh and is dropping over time.

Dubai, a country who's is wealthy because of oil, is spending a lot of money to power a rapidly increasing percentage of it's country with solar power because it's already cheaper for them to power with solar power than with their own oil. They have reduced their cost to 5 cents per KWh.

The world will switch over to solar at increasing rates. If the US is the world leader, those countries will switch over using US technology. If not, the technology will come from other countries. In the long term, which is better for our country.

The cost to drive an electric car also goes down as the cars themselves are made more efficient.

 

[The Oi]

Yeah, it's too bad all those noble
murderers, rapists, and drug leaders can't lead us all to freedom so we can build a better world....

Holy fuck.

Come on man.

 

[Cavatt]

You realize there have been hundreds of studies that demonstrate the fact that a great deal of climate change is directly caused by man-made activity?

When you really know about science it is so hard to believe that people who don't can take stances like this. Why do they have a stance on stuff they know nothing about. It just

Of course it is. The price of fossil fuels inevitably will increase because 1) the supply wil become more scarce, and 2) extraction coats will increase. No argument there.



But collecting, storing, and processing that energy into usuable forms is not free. Nor does it mean it thay it will ever be cheaper than the cost of fossil fuels right now.



Eventually? Sure, for all the reasons I stated before. But that has absolutely nothing to do with whether it makes sense to invest gargantuan sums in trying to force that conversion before the cost of fossil fuels rises enough to make economic sense.

I just paid $1.99/gallon for gas, and that's with all the taxes taken into account. Forcing move from a fuel source that is cheaper right now simply because it will eventually be more expensive doesn't make a lot of sense.

Do you think using all the petroleum up is a good idea? You know it is one of the best things for making polymers and other high tech materials right?

Electricity is cheaper than gasoline, but in one way you are right. The electrical grid is so decrepit from neglect and age that it needs to be replaced, but do major projects like that get cheaper or more expensive the longer you wait for them to fall apart?

You are really not making sense here.

You also seem to not realize that investment in new tech gives you 8x your investment.

I remember the blue print companies saying the same things about their business when computers came around. They are all dead. If you wait until the tide had changed you are left in the cold.