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Iman Shumpert: Gone! Thank God!

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I dont understand the hate toward Shump.

I get trading him, I dont think he is the defensive stopper we was supposed to be, but he hanst done anything that deserves hate.

I am still hoping we can get koufos for Shump plus filler, but we shall see.


Shumpert seems like a guy who played hard for his contract, then just didn't care. And he doesn't seem to care much of the time.

He was better in the playoffs, but it still just doesn't seem like enough. Particularly given his contract.

In short, he doesn't seem worth the hassle.

This is how I feel about Kyrie, as well (wrong attitude; only plays hard when he wants). But obviously Shumpert is far less talented than Kyrie is.

Getting at least some of The Malcontents off the team is not a bad thing.

Here's some of the history of all of this, through articles.


1. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/09/are_their_concerns_about_cleve.html

Cleveland Cavaliers guard Iman Shumpert was arrested on a DUI charge last month near his home in Atlanta, Ga.

No team likes to hear that, but it's not a major issue if it's an isolated incident.

But the Cavs believe Shumpert had a disappointing 2015-16 season. That came after they signed him to a four-year, $40 million contract.



2. https://factoryofsadness.co/2016/02/21/espns-brian-windhorst-iman-shumpert-not-as-focused/

“I think the Cavs were sort of referencing the fact that they’re not thrilled with the way Shump is playing this year (2015-16),” Windhorst said in during his “Hey, Windy!” podcast, which is produced by ESPN Cleveland.

“The word on the street is there’s a little bit of frustration that Shump isn’t as focused on basketball as he was a year ago, when he may have been trying to get his contract.”

“…The perception amongst the Cavs is that he’s not as focused and driven…maybe putting him out there (on the trade market) was a way to kickstart him…I’m sure he didn’t want to go to Sacramento.”



And that disappointment and frustration with Shumpert seemed to lead to an attempt to basically salary-dump him earlier this summer.

3. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/07/cleveland_cavaliers_have_terry_100.html

Question: Why are the Cavaliers considering a trade that basically gives Iman Shumpert to Houston?

A: Looking back, Shumpert's four-year, $40 million contract signed in the summer of 2015 was not one of the best moves for former general manager David Griffin. It's always hard to know what is "overpaid" in the outrageous economics of the NBA. But it seemed very high at the time for a guy who has battled some serious injuries.



And so forth.

The team had multiple "soft/diva/only-play-hard-when-I-want" people on it last year, and I thought that really hurt us. Sure, LeBron coasts at times. But he's played 50,000 career minutes and was in his 14th season. That's understandable. It's less understandable for guys like Irving, Love and Shumpert to dog it and get whiny.

Love has gotten mentally tougher, and he needs to get even tougher still.

We can't just toss Shumpert away because we need defensive help, particularly now against point guards. Still, with the glut of players on the roster at the moment, my guess is Cleveland will look to send Shump packing as early as possible.

And he probably knows that, too, which might be why he supposedly wants out.
 
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I really don't like Shump at all. But there just aren't a lot of obvious trade options for him right now. Maybe if the Melo thing becomes available that can change quickly...But it seems silly just to salary dump the guy.

IT is coming off injury and could very well not be able to play at the start of the season.

Rose has obvious injury concerns.

JR had injury problems last year. Korver was injured last year.

So maybe just bring him to camp and see where we are.
 
I really don't like Shump at all. But there just aren't a lot of obvious trade options for him right now. Maybe if the Melo thing becomes available that can change quickly...But it seems silly just to salary dump the guy.

IT is coming off injury and could very well not be able to play at the start of the season.

Rose has obvious injury concerns.

JR had injury problems last year. Korver was injured last year.

So maybe just bring him to camp and see where we are.

Yeah we shouldn't get rid of him just for the sake of doing it. I mean, I'd rather have him on the roster than Felder or Jose Fucking Calderon.
 
Neckbeard stays getting bad info...

"LeBron isn't recruiting"

But yet he got off the phone with Jeff Green and posting Rose emoji's.
 
Neckbeard stays getting bad info...

"LeBron isn't recruiting"

But yet he got off the phone with Jeff Green and posting Rose emoji's.

Man ... I totally forgot we had Jeff Green.. :chuckle:
 
Yeah we shouldn't get rid of him just for the sake of doing it. I mean, I'd rather have him on the roster than Felder or Jose Fucking Calderon.

I still find it hilarious that after all the crazy player acquisitions and drama this offseason our first move was signing Jose...:chuckle:
 
I still find it hilarious that after all the crazy player acquisitions and drama this offseason our first move was signing Jose...:chuckle:

And hopefully our next move is to cut him.
 
If we have any legit interest in Carmelo or another highly paid player in a trade, I'd imagine Shump's contract would be important in that deal, whether that's sending him directly to a 2nd team or getting a 3rd team involved.

So while most are fine if he goes, his salary could be vital to a deal later. Or trade him now but for a similar priced single player in return?
 
If we have any legit interest in Carmelo or another highly paid player in a trade, I'd imagine Shump's contract would be important in that deal, whether that's sending him directly to a 2nd team or getting a 3rd team involved.

So while most are fine if he goes, his salary could be vital to a deal later. Or trade him now but for a similar priced single player in return?

Yeah I'm pretty confident Shump will at least be here until the Melo situation is resolved.
 
Definitely a feeling within Cavs organization that Shump took his eyes off the ball last year.

It's understandable with a smoking hot celebrity wife, new baby, and side pieces galore.

Winning a championship can make you hungrier for another one, or you can sit back and enjoy the spoils. Iman enjoyed the spoils....and a new contract with it.

Cavs thought they had a deal done with Houston and it fell through based on all the bit pieces they gave away in the Clippers trade for CP3.

They were looking for multiple short term deals for Shump that they could then package elsewhere. Problem is they now have a shitload of players and a lot of leverage is lost....
 
Definitely a feeling within Cavs organization that Shump took his eyes off the ball last year.

It's understandable with a smoking hot celebrity wife, new baby, and side pieces galore.

Winning a championship can make you hungrier for another one, or you can sit back and enjoy the spoils. Iman enjoyed the spoils....and a new contract with it.

Cavs thought they had a deal done with Houston and it fell through based on all the bit pieces they gave away in the Clippers trade for CP3.

They were looking for multiple short term deals for Shump that they could then package elsewhere. Problem is they now have a shitload of players and a lot of leverage is lost....

Trading isn't only about leverage. If another team wants Shump, they'll trade for him. Trades aren't always about winning/losing. Sometimes it's just fit, pieces, and options. I think we're waiting to package Shump on another deal since the Kyrie thing has gone through.
 
Trading isn't only about leverage. If another team wants Shump, they'll trade for him. Trades aren't always about winning/losing. Sometimes it's just fit, pieces, and options. I think we're waiting to package Shump on another deal since the Kyrie thing has gone through.

We don't have the roster flexibility to take on multiple players based on roster size, at the moment.

Moving Shump had little to do with Kyrie...he's just a bad contract at this point. It is a bit coincidental that the guys sharing women on the road are the same guys demanding trades though....
 

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