• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

Indians' Strategy Makes Title Chances Slim

Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Gunther

In Chill Mode
Joined
Jul 6, 2009
Messages
4,612
Reaction score
4,852
Points
113
http://www.ohio.com/sports/61934177.html

Sheldon Ocker: Indians' tear-down, rebuild strategy makes title chances slim
By Sheldon Ocker
Beacon Journal sports writer

POSTED: 06:24 p.m. EDT, Sep 26, 2009

Under the Dolan ownership of the Indians, it has become an article of faith that the way to fame and glory is an unending sequence of tear-downs and rebuilds every six years or less.

With this type of strategy, certain questions arise:

  • What constitutes success?
  • Once that is answered, does this method of operating a baseball team work? That is, will the general manager and his lieutenants be given the wherewithal to acquire and keep enough talented players to compete with the big-market teams?
  • Will fans buy into the plan by purchasing ample premium seating and season tickets; will they turn out in sufficient numbers to keep the ballclub from constantly living on the edge financially?

Having seen this sort of strategy in action, I have to say the odds of the Tribe winning a World Series are slim and slimmer. But that's where the definition of success comes into play.

From what has been said recently and in the past by club President Paul Dolan, whose father Larry bought the team, and by General Manager Mark Shapiro, what the Indians are hoping to achieve is to put together a team that can contend for the playoffs three or four years in a row and actually qualify for the postseason once or twice over that span.

The thinking is — and this was expressed by former GM John Hart, too — ''Once we get in the playoffs, anything can happen.''

I would agree that these tactics might produce a reasonable chance to play in the postseason, maybe twice in a 10-year period, though it's difficult to quantify that with any precision. Where I disagree is the ''anything can happen'' part.

Granted, small- or mid-market teams have won World Series since 1994, when Progressive Field opened and allowed the Tribe to generate enough revenue to be a player: the Chicago White Sox in 2005, the Florida Marlins in 2003 and 1997, the Arizona Diamondbacks in 2001.

But on further examination, you can make a case that the Sox and the 1995 Marlins were winners because they had the good fortune to play other mid-market teams in the Series: the Houston Astros in 2005 and the Indians in '97. The only true mid-market upsets occurred when the Diamondbacks in 2001 and Marlins in 2003 beat the New York Yankees.

The boom in stadium construction begun by the White Sox in 1991 has run its course, but for a while, teams with new ballparks had a competitive advantage because their state-of-the-art playgrounds became cash cows. It happened in Cleveland during the Dick Jacobs ownership, when the Indians' revenue was among the highest in baseball.

But once most teams had increased revenue streams from their new stadiums, the competitive advantage vanished, which is one reason the Tribe has not been the powerhouse it was in the 1990s.

There are other reasons. The Indians had their impressive run of Central Division titles in part because Hart took chances in the draft.

Albert Belle was passed over by every team in the first round of the 1987 draft because of his volatile personality. Hart chose him in the second round.

Hart picked Manny Ramirez in the first round of the 1991 draft, even though most clubs were scared off by Ramirez's background and lack of education. And few teams in 1998 were willing to invest first-round money on CC Sabathia because of his girth.

Under Shapiro, the Indians' drafts have not added much to the nucleus of the team, but the GM has done a good job of robbing rival teams of their better prospects: Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, Shin-Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Luis Valbuena, possibly Matt LaPorta and Michael Brantley, who are only beginning their major-league careers, and Carlos Santana, still laboring in the farm system.

But is success — even by Dolan's and Shapiro's modest definition — probable when the Tribe is forced to jettison its marquee players once they reach free agency, which is six years into a player's big-league career?

The odds are stacked heavily against them. It takes most good hitters three or four years to become consistent high achievers. And even the most physically skilled starting pitchers usually don't reach maturity for four or five years. That doesn't leave much time for winning titles.

Teams might make the playoffs with marquee players who have yet to reach the six-year level, but how many clubs win a World Series without star players whose service time stretches beyond their first free-agent season?

Paul Dolan said recently that because of the economics associated with being a mid-market team and because the club operates in a depressed area, the Indians cannot (ever?) keep their own best players when they become free agents.

He proved it by trading Lee and Victor Martinez to help offset a $16 million loss this year and to keep the deficit manageable next season. But does that mean whenever the team sustains a substantial loss, an automatic rebuilding process will follow?

Shapiro has undertaken the second tear-down-and-rebuild of his career. The fans are furious. Season-ticket holders are voicing their disapproval with their wallets. They see inevitable failure in the strategy of these periodic erect-and-destroy tactics. And they might be right. At some point, an owner has to sign a Victor Martinez, a Jim Thome, a Cliff Lee.

A mid-market club cannot be expected to keep all of its free-agent impact players, but that team is doomed to keep company with the also-rans if it never holds on to any of them. It's difficult enough to find players with the talent to win a Cy Young Award, and to trade away two such pitchers — Sabathia and Lee — in consecutive seasons almost defies belief.

Without at least a few established stars to provide both production and leadership, teams are merely rolling the dice, hoping that good fortune will bring them a World Series. And anyone who lives in Northeast Ohio knows that Cleveland franchises have never been lucky.

The Dolans said when they bought the Indians that they intended to preside over several World Series championships. Recently, they blamed the Northeast Ohio economy for keeping them from reaching their goal.

But if they look across the street at Quicken Loans Arena, they will see that the economy is booming. So near and yet so far.
 
Great article. The truth stings, though.
 
While I agree with some of that, I disagree with others. It's not like the Dolans refuse to spend money or refuse to sign up players long term with extensions. Westbrook and Hafner come immediately to mind. Both signed extensions. I'm very sure the Dolans will try to resign Sizemore and also Cabrera as well. The article seems to say we never sign up our stars with extensions. That's just false on it's face. We also are in the middle of the pack as far as total salary goes.

It's also very true that if a team makes the playoffs, the chances of winning are actually better than any other sport. If you have just TWO starting pitchers who are on a roll come playoff time, those two can take you through to the world series by themselves. The question is, how many times in ten years can the Indians realistically make the playoffs?

Just making the playoffs in football or basketball does not give as much a chance to teams as it does in baseball. You need pretty much a full team of players jelling at the right time if you are seeding low in football and basketball. You need a few players playing real well to do so in baseball even if you are the wild card with the worse record in the playoffs.
 
I agree entirely about MLB postseason...it's definitely the easiest to succeed in due to the nature of the sport and the playoffs themselves (2 rounds as opposed to 3 in the NBA, specifically)

Look the Tribe has everything going for them if they can keep an $80 million payroll- the division sucks, they really only need to make it to the postseason consistently or contend for it to make the fan base happy. The Cardinals do it with even less of a payroll than $80 million I think. Sad thing is, I think we're in for years of a much lower payroll between $60-70 million which is going to suck.

But if they can just get some things right, the division is there for the taking... :/ Kinda sad.
 
It's not that hard, the only problem is that Shap really effed it up when he decided to choose Hafner and Westbrook as the key players we were going to keep.

He has to choose wisely next time.
 
Is there a small-market strategy that doesn't leave title chances to be slim?

I mean just look at the standings, if MLB doesn't think there is a problem...baseball is in real trouble. Much less the Indians.
 
It's not that hard, the only problem is that Shap really effed it up when he decided to choose Hafner and Westbrook as the key players we were going to keep.

He has to choose wisely next time.

It's hard to choose who will not be injured. Both of the players you named were in their prime and real bargains when Shap signed them. With Westbrook, there's nothing you can do about T John surgery. Maybe Hafner was a different story, but I certainly wasn't complaining when they signed him to a long term deal.

The problem is that small market teams have a very small margin for error in their decisions. And they also have to rely on a lot of luck.
 
It's hard to choose who will not be injured. Both of the players you named were in their prime and real bargains when Shap signed them. With Westbrook, there's nothing you can do about T John surgery. Maybe Hafner was a different story, but I certainly wasn't complaining when they signed him to a long term deal.

The problem is that small market teams have a very small margin for error in their decisions. And they also have to rely on a lot of luck.

Westbrook, hindsight was 20/20.

However, Hafner came out of the gates painfully slow in 2007 and we decided to give him a larger than average contract. Personally, I would have used that money on CC, as we can see, we are a lot better at developing offense than pitching.

Like I said, next time, let's hope Shap chooses wisely or he will be fired.
 
Westbrook, hindsight was 20/20.

However, Hafner came out of the gates painfully slow in 2007 and we decided to give him a larger than average contract. Personally, I would have used that money on CC, as we can see, we are a lot better at developing offense than pitching.

Like I said, next time, let's hope Shap chooses wisely or he will be fired.

Yeah, I can understand the Westbrook signing, but signing up Hafner might have been a tad premature.

Bottom line; if the core young kids can develop; Brantley, LaPorta, Masterson, Perez, Santana, Valbuena.... that's a nice young group to build around, with one level up of already proven young kids in Cabrera and Choo. I'd say that group of players could be the group of young players on any team which would be very excited to have. Include a good manager with the mix and I like the Indians chances in a VERY bad division that doesn't seem to get better, nor has much a chance of reaching as good as the East or the West.
 
Yeah, a good core to build around until they become All Stars!

I kid, I kid...that joke has run its course. :chuckles:
 

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-14: "Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:14: " Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey."
Top