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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4284680
Just a minor deal but I thought I would share it with you fellas.
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Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubrey to O's
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4284680
Just a minor deal but I thought I would share it with you fellas.
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
Guthrie is 5-7 with a 5.09 ERA this year.
He did do well the past 2, I'll give you that.
Guthrie is 5-7 with a 5.09 ERA this year.
He did do well the past 2, I'll give you that.
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
Well he was doin pretty dam well until this year.
Well he was doin pretty dam well until this year.
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
Uh, he sure is. He's not a Cy Young candidate but he's a number one starter. I'd take him over every starter on our staff except Cliff Lee who won the Cy Young last year.
Uh, he sure is. He's not a Cy Young candidate but he's a number one starter. I'd take him over every starter on our staff except Cliff Lee who won the Cy Young last year.
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
He's the number 1 starter for the O's by default... they have a terrible starting rotation, much like us. Would I take him over Pavano/Huff/Sowers? Sure, but is that really saying much? :chuckles:
He's the number 1 starter for the O's by default... they have a terrible starting rotation, much like us. Would I take him over Pavano/Huff/Sowers? Sure, but is that really saying much? :chuckles:
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
He's not a number one starter on any contending team.
Heck, even Oriole fans think he should be a number 3 or 4.
He's not a number one starter on any contending team.
Heck, even Oriole fans think he should be a number 3 or 4.
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Okay well I guess our definitions of "ace" pitcher are different. I think if you're the number one starter on a team, you're an ace since most teams don't have good rotations and only the richest have more than one above average pitcher.
Not a Cy Young contender or a future hall of famer by any means, but he's turned into a good player for the Orioles which was my point.
Not a Cy Young contender or a future hall of famer by any means, but he's turned into a good player for the Orioles which was my point.
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He's decent, nobody is going to argue that. I'd like him in our rotation now, I don't think anyone would argue with that either.
Last year and the year before he was probably our 5th starter though.
An ace in my estimation is a guy who gets 15 wins consistently and racks up 200 innings worth of quality innings.
Guthrie has never had more than 10 wins and has never even gone over 200 innings despite being the #1 on the O's staff for three years.
5.9 K/9 is pretty average, as is his 2.6 BB/9.
His lowest ERA in any season was 3.63
That is just not #1 caliber stuff....
Last year and the year before he was probably our 5th starter though.
An ace in my estimation is a guy who gets 15 wins consistently and racks up 200 innings worth of quality innings.
Guthrie has never had more than 10 wins and has never even gone over 200 innings despite being the #1 on the O's staff for three years.
5.9 K/9 is pretty average, as is his 2.6 BB/9.
His lowest ERA in any season was 3.63
That is just not #1 caliber stuff....
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Re: Indians trade Minor League 1st baseman Aubery to O's
I was under the impression-told by an 0's fan that Guthrie has struggled this year?
I was under the impression-told by an 0's fan that Guthrie has struggled this year?
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Okay we're arguing semantics here because we're on the same page. Being the number one pitcher on a team makes you a top 50 starting pitcher in a 30 team league that is top heavy in talent with the rich teams buying up the best of the best. He'd probably be like a 4th starter on the Yanks or Red Sox but for a team like Baltimore he's an 'ace'. Not a top shelf guy but the one you give the ball to when you want the best chance to win. John Lannan is the ace for the Nationals even though he sucks.
He's the Orioles' 'ace' for what that's worth (not much) but that's much more than what he did here. He was unreliable and couldn't be trusted to give us a chance to win the game. In his last start he went 7 innings giving up 1 run and 3 hits to the Phillies so while he's not the ideal 'ace' he is that guy for the Orioles.
Okay I've done too much explaining my opinion of Jeremy Guthrie, back to Shaq talk.:chuckles:
He's the Orioles' 'ace' for what that's worth (not much) but that's much more than what he did here. He was unreliable and couldn't be trusted to give us a chance to win the game. In his last start he went 7 innings giving up 1 run and 3 hits to the Phillies so while he's not the ideal 'ace' he is that guy for the Orioles.
Okay I've done too much explaining my opinion of Jeremy Guthrie, back to Shaq talk.:chuckles: