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Just wondering what the baseball people here think about Joey Votto and his overall career ?

IMO he’s one of the most underrated players I’ve ever seen. Primarily because of where he plays and his franchise.
 
Everytime I look, he's on base.

Just looked up his OBP, .430. Awesome.
 
He’s a very good player....royal douche bag with fans.
 
Joey Votto is one of the best hitters of all-time
 
Votto just homered lol
 
Hes a complete asshok cant stand his ass.
 
Votto is a borderline hall of fame guy, who has always just been one of the better hitters in the league since he became an everyday player. His numbers won't say first ballot hall of fame with the numbers but I think the writers will vote him in since he has been in the MVP voting and AS voting and other stuff like that almost every single season in pro ball and has put up extremely consistent numbers.
 
Votto is a borderline hall of fame guy, who has always just been one of the better hitters in the league since he became an everyday player. His numbers won't say first ballot hall of fame with the numbers but I think the writers will vote him in since he has been in the MVP voting and AS voting and other stuff like that almost every single season in pro ball and has put up extremely consistent numbers.

Borderline? Conservatively, the guy is one of the top 20 hitters of all-time.
 
If Votto was a Yankee Donny-baseball would be an afterthought..
 
Votto is a borderline hall of fame guy, who has always just been one of the better hitters in the league since he became an everyday player. His numbers won't say first ballot hall of fame with the numbers but I think the writers will vote him in since he has been in the MVP voting and AS voting and other stuff like that almost every single season in pro ball and has put up extremely consistent numbers.
He's finished top 10 in MVP voting 6 times. Also finished 14 and 22.
 
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Generational type hitting talent that is constantly overlooked because he spent his entire career (thus far) in Cincinnati, just like how nobody talks about Todd Helton anymore.

Led the NL in OBP six times, and is doing so again this year.
Led the NL in BB five times.

Take away his injury riddled season in 2014, and the guy hasn't finished a season with a BA below .305 since 2008.

Should have at least two MVP awards, maybe three. Finished second to Stanton last year just because he hit 59 homers. Don't care, Votto had a far more polished all-around season in my opinion. He was very good in 2015, but I was fine with Harper and Goldschmidt finishing ahead of him.

Gold Glover.

His MVP season in 2010 was straight insane.

.324 BA
.424 OBP
.600 SLG
1.024 OPS
37 HR
36 2B
113 RBI
16 SB


If this guy had spent his entire career in the Bronx or with the Dodgers, we'd probably be annoyed with how much we'd be hearing about him. Fantastic player.
 
Borderline? Conservatively, the guy is one of the top 20 hitters of all-time.

A list like that is extremely hard to make in my opinion. I think you'd have to make the distinction of having the list be composed of players in the live-ball era (1920-present) or things could get kind of screwy. Guys like Ty Cobb, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and Nap Lajoie were banging out 200+ hits with insane OBPs and OPSs like crazy, but the rules and the way the game was played was so different that I think that you'd have to separate those guys.

1920 to present in terms of pure hitting ability, here are a few guys off the top of my head in no order:
- Ted Williams
- Stan Musial
- Albert Pujols
- Tony Gwynn
- Rod Carew
- Mike Trout
- George Brett
- Todd Helton
- Wade Boggs
- Carl Yastrezmski
- Roberto Clemente
- Lou Gehrig
- Joe Dimaggio

My definition of a fine hitter really just speaks to the all-around game, like, I think that a guy like Michael Brantley is a fantastic all-around hitter even though his numbers don't jump off the page at you. I've always favored hitting towards the gaps and having a high BA/OBP/OPS over guys that consistently smoke 40 homers a year, but the guys that have high splits AND slug a ton of homers, guys like Pujols, Ted Williams, Helton, etc, jump up my list in a hurry.

EDIT: And that wasn't meant as an argument to your point or a discredit to Votto. I'm sure I'd have him on there if I really sat down, thought about it for a few days, and made a top-20/25 list, but damn, there have been a ton of amazing hitters since 1920.
 
A list like that is extremely hard to make in my opinion. I think you'd have to make the distinction of having the list be composed of players in the live-ball era (1920-present) or things could get kind of screwy. Guys like Ty Cobb, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and Nap Lajoie were banging out 200+ hits with insane OBPs and OPSs like crazy, but the rules and the way the game was played was so different that I think that you'd have to separate those guys.

1920 to present in terms of pure hitting ability, here are a few guys off the top of my head in no order:
- Ted Williams
- Stan Musial
- Albert Pujols
- Tony Gwynn
- Rod Carew
- Mike Trout
- George Brett
- Todd Helton
- Wade Boggs
- Carl Yastrezmski
- Roberto Clemente
- Lou Gehrig
- Joe Dimaggio

My definition of a fine hitter really just speaks to the all-around game, like, I think that a guy like Michael Brantley is a fantastic all-around hitter even though his numbers don't jump off the page at you. I've always favored hitting towards the gaps and having a high BA/OBP/OPS over guys that consistently smoke 40 homers a year, but the guys that have high splits AND slug a ton of homers, guys like Pujols, Ted Williams, Helton, etc, jump up my list in a hurry.

EDIT: And that wasn't meant as an argument to your point or a discredit to Votto. I'm sure I'd have him on there if I really sat down, thought about it for a few days, and made a top-20/25 list, but damn, there have been a ton of amazing hitters since 1920.

14th in wRC+ all-time which accounts for park factors and the league atmosphere at the time. Not a definitive measure, but gives a pretty good picture.

1. Ruth
2. Williams, Ted
3. Gehrig
4. Hornsby
5. Bonds
6. Trout
7. Mantle
8. Cobb
9. Jackson, Joe
10. Musial
11. Foxx
12. McGwire
13. Mize
14. Votto
 

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