Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[MalTalm]

http://deadspin.com/peyton-manning-...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Could you imagine if Manziel did this?! The board would be blowing up with how immature he is, not ready to be a starting QB, etc, etc.

Because historically RCF has decimated players who have stood up for their teammates on the field...

 

[Chris]

Because historically RCF has decimated players who have stood up for their teammates on the field...

Um, yes, he would be annihilated on here if he did that.

 

[Tornicade]

Because historically RCF has decimated players who have stood up for their teammates on the field...

so its okay to act "immature" or lose ones composure if it "justified"

and its was perfectly mature for the defensive o trash talk but not the quarterback.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I think Manziel looks ok. He has a nice arm and makes nice throws. He isn't ready yet but I see potential. He does remind me of Jeff Garcia.

 

[Phills14]

I finally got around to watching the game last night and defensively it was as painful as everyone said. Offensively, I saw a team that moved the ball at times with both QBs but shot themselves in the foot with penalties. We just are not good enough to overcome negative plays whether it be a sack, negative rush or penalty.

Hoyer I thought played just ok which I think is better than most people thought. He was better with his accuracy and he was decisive. Still, he does nothing exciting or well at all. He's probably good enough to have a positive TD to Int Ratio, high 50s to low 60 completion percentage and put 17-20 points on the board which would be near the bottom of the league in terms of points scored.

Manziel had his best game of the preseason but still didn't look all that great. He did score a TD but he was given a great start after Kirksey's INT. The other possessions he didn't move the ball any better than Hoyer did. I still don't like Manziel's throwing motion. He is either falling backwards, sideways or tries to throw the ball through a brick wall. There are not a lot of fundamental step into a the throw type tosses. I don't know if it's out of necessity or style points but either way I don't like it.

Bottom line is I don't have a good feeling about our QBs this year. My hope of a 7-9 season isn't looking too good at this point.

 

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

http://deadspin.com/peyton-manning-...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Could you imagine if Manziel did this?! The board would be blowing up with how immature he is, not ready to be a starting QB, etc, etc.

But it's not Manziel who did it, it's Peyton Manning, someone who has year after year kicked major ass and has proven to be an effective leader of his team. I don't worry about his maturity, which is why it's a non-story. I worry about Manziel's maturity.

 

[Soda]

But it's not Manziel who did it, it's Peyton Manning, someone who has year after year kicked major ass and has proven to be an effective leader of his team. I don't worry about his maturity, which is why it's a non-story. I worry about Manziel's maturity.

If Manziel had Manning's maturity, I'd want him starting now... The thing is, I think Manziel is a bit fragile (which sucks). I think that Manziel needs to not be getting slaughtered out there.

 

[Pick6]

But it's not Manziel who did it, it's Peyton Manning, someone who has year after year kicked major ass and has proven to be an effective leader of his team. I don't worry about his maturity, which is why it's a non-story. .

agreed. People don't care about what Peyton Manning does because he is Peyton Manning. People who are complaining about Manziel's "maturity" need to find things that actually matter to worry about. I think Big Ben won a few Super Bowl's raping a girl every few months. I personally don't care about any QB's maturity as long as they aren't getting into legal trouble. There are a number of hot heads in the league behind center (Rivers, Cutler) who do just fine. Manziel flipped the bench of sticking up for himself. There are a ton of things just as bad or worse that go on on a football field that we don't hear about. It shouldn't matter whether you can see it or not, because it still goes on.

 

[AZ_]

How do you know when Manziel is ready? From practice, learning the playbook? Please.. Playing the QB is a learning process, you really think he's going to learn on the sidelines? We will never know when he's ready until we PLAY HIM.

This team is not that good, there's no harm in allowing your first round pick play, and actually learn with REAL PLAYING TIME, than sitting on the sidelines, with a clipboard, and watching Hoyer get his ass lit up. Yeah, some great learning experience that is.

This is honestly one of the worst takes I've ever read on here.

From inferring practice time and learning the playbook wont be reflected in his play, to believing throwing a rookie with little college experience onto a team that's "not that good" and expecting good results.

As little faith as I have in Manziel, this is just an awful way nof thinking.

 

[Tornicade]

Players get comfortable calling plays and executing plays by playing. how many reps with two practices a week is johnny gonna get.

Johnny never having to call a play or have to use 12 words to a call a basic play he really should of had no shot against hoyer. but he did.

 

[AZ_]

Players get comfortable calling plays and executing plays by playing. how many reps with two practices a week is johnny gonna get.

Johnny never having to call a play or have to use 12 words to a call a basic play he really should of had no shot against hoyer. but he did.

Yes, he should have had a shot.

Yes, he should have been able to call a basic play. They drafted him and should have the expectations that he can accomplish those things.

The constant lowering the bar for Manziel in this ridiculous attempt to pump him up does not make him look any better, it makes you sound like a sycophant.

He should be in QB meetings every day, he should be learning everything he can about being an NFL QB because of the limited exposure to anything resembling an NFL offense in college. He should get every single bit out of his practice reps with the second and third team because, YES, they will help you adjust to life and the speed of the NFL.

Pretending he's going to sit idly by on the sidelines collecting dust is ridiculous.

 

[Spectre]

Manziel is really good when he's on the move, whether it's rolling out of the pocket for a throw or running the ball himself. The problem is that in the NFL, players are fast enough to catch up to you when they know you're going to leave the pocket; it's very difficult to get by on that stuff alone.

What I wanted to see most from Manziel this pre-season was him stepping up in the pocket in the face of a rush, stepping into a throw and letting it rip for a completion because THAT is what he's going to need to do at this level.

Instead of stepping up in the pocket, he runs out of it. Instead of stepping into his throws, he throws at wonky body angles, off-balanced and off his back foot. Obviously those are things that can be corrected but until they are, he's not ready to be an NFL QB.

 

[Jack Brickman]

How many QBs have the Browns potentially ruined by throwing them into a shitty situation before they were ready, and now you guys want to do the same thing to Manziel? This is especially bad given our brutal early schedule.

Maybe he's never ready, but throwing him in now when he's clearly not does no one any favors, especially Manziel. It's much smarter to start Hoyer and let him prove whether or not he's worth the job. If he's not, we can bring in Manziel later in the season when our schedule eases up and he's had the chance to learn a lot more than he has thus far. If you throw Manziel to the wolves now and he fails, you don't have a fallback because you've basically told Hoyer he's not good enough at that point.

I've maintained through this process that, if the QB competition was close, you go with Hoyer right now because you can always bring in the rookie later if he fails. It doesn't work so neatly the other way around.

 

[Soda]

How many QBs have the Browns potentially ruined by throwing them into a shitty situation before they were ready, and now you guys want to do the same thing to Manziel? This is especially bad given our brutal early schedule.

Dude, this fanbase doesn't learn. It's Groundhog Day every year since 1999. Call for the back-up, turn on the coach, then the GM. Once they're fired, then turn on the owner. I mean, we've already begun booing them at home and the team is still 0-0.

 

[AZ_]

Dude, this fanbase doesn't learn. It's Groundhog Day every year since 1999. Call for the back-up, turn on the coach, then the GM. Once they're fired, then turn on the owner. I mean, we've already begun booing them at home and the team is still 0-0.

Even Manziel should be able to read this playbook by now.