Kendrick Perkins - Canton's Enforcer

[chrisrich91]

ugh... and now come the downvotes...

Fuck having a dissenting opinion around here. Jesus Christ. Forget I said anything.

The negative rep options are a joke and need to be eliminated.

I mostly disagree with your opinion of Robinson over Perkins, but I'm not going to press the Disagree button and go on my way like a peasant.

 

[gourimoko]

Why are people discussing Perkins vs. Robinson as if they play the same position?

Because "BIG" != Center? Big includes PF's?

 

[Binkster]

Concisely, I'm not thrilled with how Griffin manages assets.

Not thrilled with the acquisitions of:

LeBron
Love
Mozgov
Shumpert
Smith

Personally, I'm thrilled with the utilization of assets. We still have our first round pick, Haywood, and Harris.

You don't stockpile assets when you're in win now mode. You utilize them.

 

[gourimoko]

I'll leave it at this...

I'd have preferred to gamble on Robinson finding a role on this team than acquiring Perkins who I think has a very unlikely chance at success here.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

Because "BIG" != Center? Big includes PF's?

... and you think that's how David Griffin or any competent GM who is attempting to build a team looks at the situation? We had a very specific need. A guy who can come in for Mozgov and play the 5 without us having to "go small," which -- once again -- we can already do with Thompson/Love, LBJ/Love, LBJ/Thompson (toss Marion in once he's healthy).

The whole point of the move was having an insurance policy on the center position, not just the nebulous "big" category.

 

[gourimoko]

Not thrilled with the acquisitions of:

LeBron
Love
Mozgov
Shumpert
Smith

Personally, I'm thrilled with the utilization of assets. We still have our first round pick, Haywood, and Harris.

You don't stockpile assets when you're in win now mode. You utilize them.

Err...

LeBron coming here had nothing to do with Griffin; in fact, my understanding is it had more to do with Grant.

Love coming here might turn out to be a pretty terrible trade, we don't know yet. What we do know is that we paid absolute top dollar for a guy who was demanding a trade. How this is some masterful stroke on Griffin's part is beyond me.

Mozgov was considered an overpay by most pundits, you don't need me to add my two cents to this. He may have been had for less than we gave up.

You also didn't mention the draft picks we pissed away from the summer til now.

So no, I'm not thrilled with how Griffin manages assets.

p.s.
The only reason we still have our own pick is because of the Stepien Rule. Otherwise, I have no doubt we'd have traded it.

 

[Cavatt]

Perk is just really bad. Hope he doesnt take anyone's minutes. I'd prefer not to play him if we have a choice.

 

[mds]

Of course, that's not directed at you obviously; more just frustration with the groupthink of the moment.

Come playoffs people will be trashing Kendrick Perkins and saying "ahh, Jesus this guy sucks! Take him out already.. Where is Mozgov!?" and all of this will be forgotten.

The people who disagree with you have valid points, its not just a hive mentality. No need to be so melodramatic on an internet forum.

Perkins wasn't signed to replace Mozgov, he was signed to replace Brendan Haywood. He is clearly past his prime and is not an upside player. 95% of his job will be steadying a team who hasn't been in the playoffs ever. Thomas Robinson offers none of that. He knows nothing about even being a good NBA player or even being on a good team for more than a minute a game. Upside is great, but this is a 4th big who's being brought in as a small usage vet who provides a service more needed than James Jones does.

I'm not trying to convince you, and it doesn't matter if I do, but the sentiments of the people who disagree with your viewpoint have a point themselves.

 

[gourimoko]

... and you think that's how David Griffin or any competent GM who is attempting to build a team looks at the situation?

I don't think either one of us can answer this question. I know that Pat Reilly has had some interesting thoughts on the differences between the PF and C position; and many of those opinions I agree with.

We had a very specific need. A guy who can come in for Mozgov and play the 5 without us having to "go small," which -- once again -- we can already do with Thompson/Love, LBJ/Love, LBJ/Thompson (toss Marion in once he's healthy).

The whole point of the move was having an insurance policy on the center position, not just the nebulous "big" category.

Yes, I'm aware.

What I've tried to get across is that by adding Perkins, that specific need you mention may not be filled.

 

[Soar]

I think we should just see how he plays and fits before we say he's good or he's bad.

Never thought Marion would look this bad. But he has here.

Never thought JR would look this good and he has.

Just going to be a fit thing and I think he could fit much better here with Love and Moz than Ibaka and Collison.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Perk is just really bad. Hope he doesnt take anyone's minutes. I'd prefer not to play him if we have a choice.

This is the ideal situation. Perk is insurance more than anything. Insurance that we don't have to play James Jones 30 min or the corspe of Brandon Haywood in the event someone gets injured or in foul trouble.

I can't see him getting more than 10 mpg when it comes time to really buckle down. He'll be more valuable come playoff time anyway. We're going to need a goon at some point.

 

[gourimoko]

The people who disagree with you have valid points, its not just a hive mentality. No need to be so melodramatic on an internet forum.

I never said they didn't. If you actually go back up a few posts you'll see I'm agreeing with macbdog and Lazor on some of their points and also liking their posts.

If you don't know what I'm referring to when I say "groupthink" and you haven't seen this every time we make a move of any kind, well, I dunno what to tell you.

Perkins wasn't signed to replace Mozgov, he was signed to replace Brendan Haywood. He is clearly past his prime and is not an upside player. 95% of his job will be steadying a team who hasn't been in the playoffs ever.

Never said he was to replace Mozgov. We're talking about 4th big, and what player would be best suited.

Thomas Robinson offers none of that. He knows nothing about even being a good NBA player or even being on a good team for more than a minute a game. Upside is great, but this is a 4th big who's being brought in as a small usage vet who provides a service more needed than James Jones does.

Perkins was a net negative for OKC in the playoffs. He's a terrible basketball player.

I'm not trying to convince you, and it doesn't matter if I do, but the sentiments of the people who disagree with your viewpoint have a point themselves.

Never said they didn't. Go upthread and you'd see that the person liking their posts is "Gourimoko"

 

[Ohio]

This isn't NBA2K; you can't keep pushing the trade button until the cpu accepts it because you included that extra draft pick this time.

Griffin made some acquisitions and now we have arguably the best team in the entire NBA. He picked up Perkins for nothing.

Was it perfect? No. Some small mistakes were made. No organization is flawless with every deal they make. But given the end result (our current roster and our outlook for the next ~5 years) I'm not sure how anyone can really complain.

 

[kovanovich]

And again, the Cavaliers gave up NOTHING for this. OKC gave up Jeff Green in his prime for Perkins' leadership.

OKC also gave up a first round pick (in 2012) in that Perk-Green trade. But I think they did that deal primarily to get a low usage, defense-oriented big to pair with their elite, high usage wing players. And Perk had actually been productive in that sort of role in Boston.

I remember liking that trade at the time for OKC. It sort of turned out to be a disaster for OKC to the extent that Perk immediately regressed and then his salary was a factor in OKC feeling they needed to trade Harden, who is now one of the 5 best players in the game.

As I said upthread, at some point this signing became inevitable, and those of us who don't like it will just have to take solace in the likelihood that Perk won't play much. Maybe the Cavs can get him some time down the stretch to save burn on Mozgov and limit his exposure to injury.

Now unless Perk undergoes a metamorphosis, I'm not exactly excited about bringing him back next year, and all things being equal would prefer giving that roster spot to a younger guy who may have "upside" or a draft pick. But this signing is not about next year.

 

[mds]

I never said they didn't. If you actually go back up a few posts you'll see I'm agreeing with macbdog and Lazor on some of their points and also liking their posts.

If you don't know what I'm referring to when I say "groupthink" and you haven't seen this every time we make a move of any kind, well, I dunno what to tell you.



Never said he was to replace Mozgov. We're talking about 4th big, and what player would be best suited.



Perkins was a net negative for OKC in the playoffs. He's a terrible basketball player.



Never said they didn't. Go upthread and you'd see that the person liking their posts is "Gourimoko"

Well, I live in Eagle Rock, so I think we should wrestle in the Arroyo and whoever wins gets to be the 4th big for the Cavs.