Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[All4One1ForAll]

I'd honestly rather him sit out the rest of the season rather than try to delay surgery, heal as quickly as possible, and potentially return prematurely just for the small chance that he can play in the last few games of the Finals. His long term health is more important. And even if he was cleared to play, he wouldn't be in basketball form.

If there were any chance he could play for us in the postseason completely healthy without risking injury, obviously I would be all for it. But I just don't see that being possible.

 

[enigmatic]

Call me a wuss, whatever; I don't care. Everytime I watch this I choke up.

Let me try to put this in perspective a little bit.

Cleveland had the best football player of his generation and one of the greatest of all time in Jim Brown. The city won a championship before it was even called the Super Bowl. Since that time, Cleveland has been cursed. You all know the history so I don't need to relive those moments. Cleveland once again has the best player of its generation, in basketball this time, and a chance to win a title. The Cleveland curse has been too strong to break for most people. It takes a certain individual to break that curse. The Kevin Love injury? That is Cleveland's way of testing this team once again. Once again, the curse must be broken. The curse feeds on the weak, preys on the fragile minded. It is once again up to the game's greatest player to give this city what it so desperately covets.

Nothing is given. Everything is earned.

As fans, we have one job during this run. Stick together. Don't panic. Don't blame. Just stick together. and enjoy the ride, whatever it may be.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'd honestly rather him sit out the rest of the season rather than try to delay surgery, heal as quickly as possible, and potentially return prematurely just for the small chance that he can play in the last few games of the Finals. His long term health is more important. And even if he was cleared to play, he wouldn't be in basketball form.

If there were any chance he could play for us in the postseason completely healthy without risking injury, obviously I would be all for it. But I just don't see that being possible.

Yeah, I don't think we'd like to see a Braxton Miller shoulder redux with Love.

 

[Cratylus]

Gilbert left open only the very tiniest sliver that Love could perhaps return very late in the playoffs. Based on everything that was said, even if he did manage to return Willis Reed style, he'd be a shadow of his former self offensively. And it's not like his defense would make up for that. Maybe a poor man's James Jones.

The Willis Reed thing is the most overhyped episode in NBA history, and the only reason it is part of NBA lore is that it was played up in the media center of the world by big-mouthed New Yorkers. Had it happened anywhere else, even in Boston, it would be a minor footnote at best. The Knicks won that game because Clyde Frazier went off for 36 points and 19 assists, not because Reed tossed in a lousy 2 buckets.

It's a big deal in basketball history because despite New York being the alleged "Mecca of Basketball", their Knicks franchise hadn't won a championship since the league began way back in 1946, and the rival city of Boston had won 11 championships in the last 15 years. So if they couldn't have the greatest franchise, by God they were going to manufacture the greatest story.

Any hope of a Kevin Love "Willis Reed" moment is based on nothing more than a manufactured myth concocted by New York sportswriters. If we're going to win it, it's going to be without Love making any meaningful contribution other than being a right-handed towel waver.

But... but... but... Rucker Park! And Madison Square Garden is the best! You're just jealous that you don't live in the Greatest City on Earth.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Let me try to put this in perspective a little bit.

Cleveland had the best football player of his generation and one of the greatest of all time in Jim Brown. The city won a championship before it was even called the Super Bowl. Since that time, Cleveland has been cursed. You all know the history so I don't need to relive those moments. Cleveland once again has the best player of its generation, in basketball this time, and a chance to win a title. The Cleveland curse has been too strong to break for most people. It takes a certain individual to break that curse. The Kevin Love injury? That is Cleveland's way of testing this team once again. Once again, the curse must be broken. The curse feeds on the weak, preys on the fragile minded. It is once again up to the game's greatest player to give this city what it so desperately covets.

Nothing is given. Everything is earned.

As fans, we have one job during this run. Stick together. Don't panic. Don't blame. Just stick together. and enjoy the ride, whatever it may be.








No curse, no such thing. Just the loser mentality of Cleveland, looking to compartmentalize and find an explanation for the unexplainable and group it al into one giant painful entity.

No such thing, we are just incredibly unlucky. If we're "cursed" it has connotations that oh, we'll we're not only unlucky, there's a bigger global reason for that kind of luck that keeps repeating, no matter the sport.

The only cursed franchise is the Browns, who still has the city's majority loyalty.

Want to stop the badness? Stop supporting the worst franchise in all sports with your whole fucking heart. They're winning two games next year tops. Let's see the fan morale after that. They'll still come back like sheep hoping to relive the glory days of the 80's.

Many people who have desired that kind of Renaissance got to witness what we've been for 10+ years before they end up dying prematurely, after only getting to see the Brown's product we all did for the last decade. Now that's sad.

Was Andy's injury part of a curse too guys? Was this our most cursed year ever? Well Kevin Love, our allstar got hurt, so yeah?

Simpletons.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Call me a wuss, whatever; I don't care. Everytime I watch this I choke up.

Hell, I cry like a freaking baby. And I'm not even joking.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Call me a wuss, whatever; I don't care. Everytime I watch this I choke up.

LOVE it. Just one question, though: How does chill-mode LeBron fit into that narrative?

I kid, I kid.

 

[Mdog1]

Bosh was injured during one of the Heat's runs right? Pretty sure he missed part of/all of the Indy series one year. This team, outside of the B3, is so much better than the Heat ever were.

 

[Scar4343]

Expect Kevin Love to throw every cheap dirty shot he can at the tranny for the foreseeable future.

He is a legacy NBA player after all. Shit, can we sign Reggie Evans and just have him grab the tranny's junk every time we play Boston?

He'd have to have junk to begin with...

 

[I'mWithDan]

Yeah, I don't think we'd like to see a Braxton Miller shoulder redux with Love.

The stress on the off shoulder in a basketball player is just not in the same ballpark as the throwing shoulder of a QB.

There have been a handful of basketball players who have recently played through this injury and while every one is not the same, there isn't an incident where one needed an additional surgery or suffered any sort of career set back because of it.

Given the surgery timetable, there's already a chance he misses part of the regular season (although slim). Don't see why delaying it really matters all that much. We'll have AV back at the start of next season in addition to some more help via our exceptions. We really just need him 100% healthy by the ASB. Anything sooner than that is nice but not necessary.

I'm sure Kevin wants to be back before that but if we're talking in hypotheticals here, I can't imagine Love is willing to opt for surgery while we're still playing. He'd be passing up a potential finals return (in some capacity) in exchange for more games in October / November. There isn't a player in the league that would do that IMO. Certainly not one with LeBron and Kyrie on their team and a wide open Eastern Conference. Even if there's only a 5% chance he heals well enough to play, it's not a 0% chance. Unless a doctor is telling him 6 weeks of rest won't matter, there's no way he's going under the knife now.

 

[Marbles]

I think this off season the Cavs should sign Chuck Liddell and just put him in the first game we play Celtics and have him just destroy kelly olynyk

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The stress on the off shoulder in a basketball player is just not in the same ballpark as the throwing shoulder of a QB.

There have been a handful of basketball players who have recently played through this injury and while every one is not the same, there isn't an incident where one need an additional surgery or suffered any sort of career set back because of it.

Given the surgery timetable, there's a chance he misses part of the regular season (although slim). Don't see why delaying it really matters all that much. We'll have AV back at the start of next season in addition to some more help via our exceptions. We really just need him 100% healthy by the ASB. Anything sooner than that is nice but not necessary.

I'm sure Kevin wants to be back before that but if we're talking in hypotheticals here, I can't imagine Love is willing to opt for surgery while we're still playing. He'd be passing up a potential finals return (in some capacity) in exchange for more games in October / November. There isn't a player in the league that would do that IMO. Certainly not one with LeBron and Kyrie on their team and a wide open Eastern Conference. Even if there's only a 5% chance he heals well enough to play, it's not a 0% chance. Unless a doctor is telling him 6 weeks of rest won't matter, there's no way he's going under the knife now.

Although as you say, these injuries are not all the same, and it seems as though Love has the misfortune to have had one of the worst. So I'm not sure the experience of other players with different injuries is all that relevant.

Kevin Love at 90-100% is a BIg 3 player. Love at 80% is still pretty valuable. But the best case we've heard isn't that he may be able to come back for the finals at 100%, 90%, or even 80%. We've gotten only the slightest hope that he may be "able to play", and Griffin hedged even that. Haven't seen anything suggesting any possible upside greater than a very minor contribution.

And I'd disagree about October/November not being valuable. Another offseason for this group of guys to work together on plays, schemes, etc. would be really valuable. The November games may well be very important when it comes to home court in April-June of next year. Now if they can't determine yet whether or not surgery is necessary, then it really doesn't matter. But if/when, they make that determination, I'd rather get him back sooner for next season than have an injured Love make very marginal contributions this year.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Although as you say, these injuries are not all the same, and it seems as though Love has the misfortune to have had one of the worst. So I'm not sure the experience of other players with different injuries is all that relevant.

Kevin Love at 90-100% is a BIg 3 player. Love at 80% is still pretty valuable. But the best case we've heard isn't that he may be able to come back for the finals at 100%, 90%, or even 80%. We've gotten only the slightest hope that he may be "able to play", and Griffin hedged even that. Haven't seen anything suggesting any possible upside greater than a very minor contribution.

And I'd disagree about October/November not being valuable. Another offseason for this group of guys to work together on plays, schemes, etc. would be really valuable. The November games may well be very important when it comes to home court in April-June of next year. Now if they can't determine yet whether or not surgery is necessary, then it really doesn't matter. But if/when, they make that determination, I'd rather get him back sooner for next season than have an injured Love make very marginal contributions this year.

Well sure. 2-3 days after an injury like that, even the best doctors in the country have only a reasonable guess at how he'll feel in 4-6 weeks.

My point was there's no reason to immediately opt for surgery without even finding out IF the Cavs are still playing. Many guys opt to play, in very unique circumstances like ours, after rehabbing and rest. If they give it 3-4 weeks and he feels terrible, then that is obviously when he opts for surgery.

But if in 3-4 weeks his rehab is going well and doctors are confident he'll do no long term damage, then he may as well give it a go if we advance to the finals. If he plays and isn't effective, at least he has the peace of mind that his body just wouldn't let him do it. I doubt Kevin wants to sit on the bench during the finals, with an already operated on shoulder and wonder if he could have done anything (even in a limited role) to help.

 

[texascavsfan]

I think this off season the Cavs should sign Chuck Liddell and just put him in the first game we play Celtics and have him just destroy kelly olynyk

Chuck ain't got nothing on J.R's "spinning reverse bitch slap"

 

[Pyro]

Ain't nobody got shit on this Cavs team. I dont even give a fuck about the Bulls anymore. I was scared before but not anymore. The Bucks are taking these guys to 6 games. SIX GAMES. The BUCKS. THE GUM ON THE BOTTOM OF MY FUCKING SHOE. @Pyro

Fuck.

Tired of this Old Cleveland defeatist bullshit. Bulls are garbage. Derrick Rose might as well be FUCK. Joakim Noah? Jesus titty fuckin christ this guy is averaging like 7 points per game and is playing bone on bone in his knee. Dude is a joke. Jimmy Butler? Dude blows. The rest of their scrub roster will get destroyed beneath the weight of Kyrie/Bron's nutsacks.

I hate the Bulls. This is the new Finals. I just want to beat the Bulls. Kill them all.

Bulls in 5.